Hey all!

I am happy to finally announce a new 2draw.net project, the 2draw art book project!

What is this project, you ask? Well, it is a book! Full-color, hard-cover, high-quality book like you'd find in any nice bookstore.

And what's in this book? Art from 2draw.net! Over the next two weeks we will be selecting artwork from the entire archive of 2draw.net drawings to be included in the book. And you get to help!

How can you help? Nominate drawings for inclusion in the book! This is your chance to immortalize the 2draw.net drawings you love on the pristine printed page like never before.

Leading this project is the ever beautiful spyra who will be taking your nominations.

The deadline for nominations is two weeks from now: Monday, November 12th at 11:59pm PDT.

Submit your nominations to spyra via memo. Include the URL to each image page. Nominate as many people as you want. The more the merrier!

A couple notes:
- You cannot nominate yourself. So make some friends. And we know when you register multiple accounts, so do not even think about it.
- We cannot print images that use copyrighted material (for example, a photo you do not have the rights to).
- Feel free to draw something specifically for the book, but we will not wait for you.

Post any questions or concerns you may have here.

Happy hunting!

Marcello

2draw.net team

oh wow, now this is cool.

sick, now i can have coffee table access to 2draw without buying that big-ass table thing ^_^

hard-cover!

Great idea! I'm happy I don't need to make the selection for the book :) How many drawings will the book have?

and will the artists be asked permission? cause i know a lot of people who used to be on this site back in the day dont hang around much anymore and have awesome drawings... they might be hard to contact. (*cough*kasha*cough*)

gesundheit

Awesome idea Marcello :D

mazi: yes, we will try to get permission from artists whenever reasonably possible.

That is just awesome, I'd pay money to buy that book : )

Oh lord, is there a bibliography or something of the artists somewhere in the book?

no, deathking, every picture will go completely uncredited...

See polythene knows what she know. Thank you much kind lady *shakes hands* I bid you adieu.

I simply wanted an idea of it, like will it be type on the pictures or in the back of the book somewhere. How much does it cost?

I nominate every piece made by Dr.Snoopy.

This is wonderful news. Would make a lovely Christmas present, especially if one of your own pictures is in it. :)

Nice to have on your resume too.

I know what im nominating.

all will be revealed in due time.

"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you."

~Jesus~

how much would one of these books cost, perhaps?
This sounds like a completely GENIUS idea Marcello. BUT! Are the funds going towards this site?

I'm guessing $50 per soft-cover. $70 per hard-cover. And $100 if you want it signed by Marcello. :P

The prices are not finalized yet. The profits will go toward running the site.

I'd pay $20 for the book but not much more. You should make them limited editions, like, only allow 200 copies to be made, that would be cool.

That's pretty awesome! I'll definitely buy it. Whatever it costs.

I would too

yeah...me too, some kind of a dream come true :)

nice!! Cello

darn :[ should've kept drawing

I'm hoping I will be able to buy one, but i'm guessing it won't be a big problem, that's why they invented airplanes to ''ship" it.
It would be neat if there were some drawings printed in stages, but who am I ?
@ Noremac, yes you should've

we will have international shipping.

drawings printed in stages is a great idea, we'll keep that in mind.

Yippy!

What a great idea !

What about making them a contest prise for a few contest?

that'd be yummy 8D

I'm buying one.

Cello: About how many pages thick is this book????

What's going on the Cover?????

Awesome idea, all be getting one. :]

This is a good idea, I know a couple I'll nominate.
Is there going to be a limit to how many one person can nominate?

taco: number of pages undecided, depends on the number of pictures we choose and what the pricing will be like
cover is a secret.

ps: no limit on nominations you send in. we'll pick the best ones from nominations. there will be a limit on the number of pictures per artist we include in the book. so use that as you will.

hahaa the cover is going to be a picture of the sexy marcello. :D

This should be the cover.

I must admit, that would be a pretty awesome cover. we'll keep it in mind.

Great idea, to bad its only by nominations, it will leave a lot of people out, I am guessing this will be only for the "best" of the best.
I would love to see all of us that draw here, pick one of our own creations for the book, only because what we like of our work. may not be what someone else likes, am I making any sense ? My sugestion for the cover would be everyones icon, only of the active members of course :)

yeah, I hope it's not just a popularity contest.

AMEN SISTER!

yeah pantera thats a awful idea. i wouldnt pay for a book full of crappy doodles with no thought or skill behind them.

Hello everyone! :D We will do our best to make this book not suck (er, hopefully waaaaayy better than "not suck"). Thank you for your positive comments and suggestions; they will all be kept in mind as we continue our planning and development! Also, I would like to point out that the final product may not be absolutely pleasing to every single person, but we will do our best to make it a great product. Thank you for understanding!

In response to Pantera above, I do recommend nominating users who not only show great aptitude in drawing, but also active members who apply the applications of 2draw creatively. If you are not chosen for this particular project, please do not feel bad-- we hope eventually to launch many future 2draw endeavors everyone can participate in. :) Thanks to those who have nominated already, and for those who haven't, don't be shy! Keep drawing!! ^_^

-s.

I dunno, I expect the final product will be absolutely pleasing to every single person. clearly if it isn't, it's their fault, not ours. those people can go cry in a corner or something.

it's not a popularity contest: all you need is one (1) nomination to be considered. images with one hundred nominations will not get any more priority than those with one.

cool

Clearly, if Marcello says so, then it must be true XD

I feel sorry for Spyra. She has to read all those memo's... Well, I know who I've nominated!

don't worry. I coded some black magic to make it a bit easier. plus we're awesome, so it'll all be good.
obviously you shouldn't waste our time with crappy nominations, though. ;-)

Less than a week to nominate! Get your nominations in!

I have been so busy with my little brother being sick and so out of touch here that I didn't see this until just now. I think it's a wonderful idea and I'm just thankful I saw it before the deadline because I definitely have some favorites here that I'll nominate.

(hah... I agree with Axil about the cover. :)

there is an INCREDIBLE amount of WHOASUPERFANTASTICO artists here...

but, hands down...this....is ace..... http://cellosoft.com/2draw/view/58398/

YAY!!! I was going to have to search for that one... I can't believe you posted a link to one of his I was thinking of... saved me some time, thanks :)

http://cellosoft.com/2draw/view/44616/ http://cellosoft.com/2draw/view/91900/ http://cellosoft.com/2draw/view/67649/

I'm havin so much fun lookin at all this AWESOME art! nice to see you Cindy!

Can we Nominate 18+ and Extreme pics?

Maybe a better question would be 'If we nominate 18+ and extreme pics, will they even be considered?'

I really don't think that XoD's preteen models should be on there at all.. i see WAAYYAYAYAYYYYAYAYY too many issues happening there.

but fatty titties.. yeah.. do it to it. X"D

and also YES to Axil's cover idea


and also I pooted

I had no idea till someone enlightened me that the Xod draw was affiliated with anything twisted. I withdraw my nomination of it for that reason.

*Turns off Maglight* It could have been a very beautiful piece of art (it does show much talent), It's a shame he's a s!@# f$%^!.
(It also occurred to me that were I her mother/parent/guardian who had learned of the photos, and then saw the art... I'd be slapping a lawsuit down on the 2draw book to have it removed or taken off the shelves, and Marcello doesn't need that kind of trouble, either)

Anyone know what happened to him anyway? Arrested? Die? Anything? He just randomly disappeared.

No clue he dropped off the earth

If he shows up again under that name or any other, I'll hunt him down like a wild animal.

*late!*
I'm so excited about this~ I would love to have a 2draw art book. It'd be wonderful.
I saved a list of pictures I wanted to nominate, but I don't have access to it, so I'll see if I can quickly run through the showcase later and pick out a few.

A 2draw Book! Hell yeah! I would love looking at all the lovely art from 2draw, in the book. I am deffinately buying it when it comes out.

"Pantera - yeah, I hope it's not just a popularity contest."

I'd rather see a book with nothing but popluar artists who do Fine quality work. They deserve it. And I think people who don't really know about 2draw, will be blown away if they see these amazing images in the book. I am always excited to show friends or family some of the fine art people can make online, and with a book, I can take it with me wherever.

The way I see it, it isn't about popularity but great pieces of art. I've seen amazing works from people who have been here since it's inception and newcomers who only stayed a while but put out great works. Even some who have improved.

I think I said that, not pantera.
But anyway, yeah, what sweetcell said. There is some amazing art on here done by some lesser known artists who don't necessarily have the right friends.

oh fucking get over it.
do you think that marcello would actually just pick people that he's friends with?

if you want someone in the book then go find their art and nominate it.

yeah, pretty sure that's not what I was saying.

Excellent idea.
What a shame I lost my 2Draw favourites folder.

Marcello, you do not have my permission to put anything I've done here at 2draw in this book.

ok

noo o: I want Axil art

Oops! Sorry about that Giselle! My mistake. No Axil62 art.. Yeah right. A book without Axil62 art is like a busted Implant.

Edit: Not even gonna get into this.

Is it acceptable to nominate the second to last revision by sending that url in a memo, and not the very last one..... (say, for example, someone you know has a cousin whose brother-in-law's sister's friend paints HOT PINK HAPPY FACES on some of the best art here?) Just a hypothetical question, of course.

Staci

guess I shouldn't have said "some of the best art here" that's what gave it away, right?

That's ok.... I found that one of my favorite pieces is unmarred so far. haaaaaHAH

I have to finish up my sailor pic, I want that in the book so bad!

It's "badly", darlin', when you use it in that context.

Okay, I haven't been around here much lately but it looks like Dan and Staci took some playground conference time out from discussing what to do with Dave's lunch money and whether or not his muffled cries from his locker were audible in the hall... and how much air is in a locker, anyway? Are those little slats serving as vents... put there for that very reason? Yes, time off to discuss how to ruin the book by withholding their art.

Anybody got a paddle? Where is the principal, anyway?

Hes screwin' the nurse

Of course he is, I knew that, but where are they THIS time? The janitor's closet, backstage in the auditorium, or in the coach's office with the door locked? (They like to play with the football coach, too, sometimes, you know)

On a serious note, I have a question/concern about the copyright issue. I have done numerous works of art here wherein I used a photo reference, and although I usually change it when painting, sometimes I have made an effort NOT to change it, to reproduce it exactly. I almost never cited a reference, because frankly I thought it was just a huge pain in the ass and I just didn't do it. I have done so much here that there are many pieces that I don't even remember where I got the reference for them, and might not even be able to find it again. I know that other artists frequently do work directly from photos that do not "belong" to them, and I asked early on (especially before doing any work professionally) what the legalities were regarding using photo references of any kind. I was told more than once that "doctoring" a photo... say in Photoshop, and then using it commercially could be considered going against the copyright, but that just the act of painting something from a blank canvas, as we do here, changes it and is not stealing an image.

In short, How in the hell are you going to be able to discern, out of all this art, when some of the artists can't even tell you?

actually, i didnt paint happy faces to prevent my work from being nominated or printed in the book. i just thought it would be funny to see the front page with 4 pictures of pink happyfaces, since at times several of my pieces that happen to be in the showcase show up there at the same time.


and contrary to what people might believe..dan and i dont PLOT to say this or that or have the same opinion on certain people/pieces. i think its sad that he doesnt want any of his work to be published because he's a huge part of this site and an artistic influence for many.

I know this already.....and I have actually been laughing my ass off, which is why I mentioned it in such a heavy manner (NOT)
edit: that happens to me sometimes when I hit the welcome page and I cringe when it does, it's actually painful for me to see that much of what I did all crammed together.

I also think it's... not just sad, but heartbreaking. I don't think I want a 2draw book if Dan's art won't be in it. :(

:( indeed

well... what if it has my stuff in it?

._.?

Honestly, I'm not sure, I would have to search your gallery to see what part of the body you comprise (and I will). If a chamber of the heart is missing, it really won't matter. Dan's art is part of the heart of this place.

on the copyright regard: basically, if you repaint a photo exactly, that does not exclude you from violating copyright. if the person who took the picture wants to sue us (or you) for using their photo without permission, they can, nothing stops anyone from suing anyone (other than time/money). At that point it would be annoying sinmply because 2draw doesn't have any legal staff (the burden would be on us to show that the image is used in "fair use").

I got permission to use all of my references except for some of the commercial characters, like Harry Pothead. Once you have collected all the images you're going to use in the book, I would contact any artists who made pieces that could possibly be infringing on copyright laws and find out if they got permission to paint them. I honestly doubt you'll have any problems with copyrights, unless the 2Draw book gets some major exposure or you're just really unlucky.

That would likely be pretty hard. Lots of the refs are just pics found on google image or other places and who knows who took the photo , or could find out at this stage. Butl, like Klox says, unless the book is wildly popular and makes lots of money, it isnt likely anyone would even notice.

If it is decided that copyrights need to be observed for this project, it shouldn't be a problem to deal with. Every image has a source and if the image and/or photographer can't be found/contacted, the image shouldn't be used, simple as that. I go through this process all the time when using internet refs for making illustrations. Some images are public domain and can be used for anything, others are untouchable.

DBA, funny you are the one that brings up the photo ref thing, one of my personal favorite is the I-robot drawing, I nominated it anyway as I did with other of your pieces. :D
So it might be a smart thing to do what Kloxboy suggests, contacting the artists who made the chosen images to see if they know, where a reference came from and when they want it in the book, try to get them permission to use it.
Too bad about Axil62 not wanting in the book, despite everything he has some fun cartoons in his gallery.

Thanks, enjoy... I personally don't like that one, but I do know where the reference came from.

I'm not really worried about Marcello being sued by anyone for the copyright thing... the photograph usage and copyright issue is a very gray area when it comes to painting from one, and for legal compensation to be awarded, I'm pretty sure monetary damages for the image have to be proven, which more than likely is not going to happen in this case. It doesn't hurt to be careful, though, which I think we should, which is why I brought it up.

Aw, hell.... Just put the ones you're sure used a photo and went exactly by it, maybe someone will sue the pants off of Marcello and he'll have to go around without any pants!!!!! :D

yea that's a great idea dba. it already costs enough to run the site as it is. it certainly will cease to exist if that happens.

haHAHH :D...
maybe you can keep your pants.

Or sell them

Oh yeah, I just wanted to say that I think at least a section in the book that shows the progression of a work by displaying the different revisions and then the final piece is almost essential, really, because some people are under the impression that since it is digital art, it is either a photograph that has been worked over, or that the "computer pretty much *does it for you*". Those of us that have worked for hours on a painting until we are bleary-eyed and have cramps in our drawing hand know better, and I think the book would have more impact and credibility if it shows the amount of actual WORK that goes into a lot of the pieces.

We could get more money for his pants if we AUCTIONED them off! :D

I'll pay him to keep them on

Ha! I hear you DBA. Oh man, when computer illiterate friends see my drawings they're like "wow, what medium is that?" and I have to be like "...actually I did them on a computer, but..." except I've already lost them my that point.

sounds like you need to get smarter friends ;)

probably right

PolythenePam: No worries, these fangle computers will never catch on anyhow. I mean, really, how many people even own a computer these days? :P

wow.
this is soooo cool

computer illiterate friends see my drawings they're like "wow, what medium is that?" and I have to be like "...actually I did them on a computer, but..." except I've already lost them my that point.

Totally feelin' you there, buddy.
It down right pisses me off.

the nomination deadline is tonight guys! make sure you get them in!

what if there aren't enough nominations to make a book?

then every nomination will get in, oh my gosh im so happy if thats true

Hey wait a minute here! I know what this is! They did this to us in the Army! It's the old "Tell them you're going to make a book and to nominate the drawings you would like to see in the book." trick! Then after you nominate them.... there is no book! They publish a list of all the nominations and the names of the people that nominated what, just to stir up the shit bucket!!

we should do that huh, just for you.

Not for me... for the troops.

it is veterans day...

O.O Lets make It a Pop Up Book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh yeah so xod can pop up and rape us >:( I think not mr. taco

COVER RIGHT HERE http://cellosoft.com/2draw/view/110/

Are we allowed to ask people to nominate us if they like our piece?

I would think it's okay, but it's kind of a moot point now since I think the deadline was just shortly after the time of your post.

that's the official deadline. you can try to still send nominations if you want, and depending what stage we are at with designing the book and choosing images we may or may not consider them. no guarantees at this point.

» Copyright Information – How exactly do copyrights work on 2draw.net?

went to check this out, the link takes you nowhere

I thought once we submit a drawing here that it becomes The sites property or Marcellos or whatever, I can not veryfy this because I could not get to the page that should explain copyrights work on 2draw.net, if all of our drawings can be seen and or saved by anyone on the net, then Dans drawings or anyones could be in the book if Marcello wanted them to be. No?

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/chapter01.pdf Since the site and book are US I assume US law prevails? Who knows

I could not get Dave's link to work properly, but I have been reading in depth on the subject the last couple of days, and as I understand the copyright laws (including some of the case law) regarding using photos or paintings (any visual creative image) as references for works of art, it could be considered a violation and infringement of the copyright in that it is a derivative of the visual image. Changing the photograph in your painting does not necessarily exclude it as being "derived" from the original creative visual image.

Also, although it is much easier for a judge to reach a decision on a case where the art is used commercially and compensation for losses are easily calculated and awarded, there is a statutory damage option wherein the Plaintiff may still be awarded damages to be paid by the Defendant. Defendants are actually more likely to LOSE THEIR PANTS in statutory damage cases. :)

It is highly improbable and unlikely that anyone would sue or win a lawsuit for damages for a derivative work of art posted here on a privately owned website that is not selling images commercially, but I think the publishing of a book changes the ball game.

My Daddy always told me to research things in depth for myself in reputable sources, not to ever "take someone's word for it", which I previously did regarding this...I listened to someone else, and although I looked it up, I didn't research it deeply enough, I don't guess. Then again, being the dumb blonde that I am, I may be misinterpreting the whole thing, or failed to look something up that would prove otherwise.

Of course I wouldn't tell Marcello what to do - I'm not an attorney and none of this is professional legal advice... (I didn't quote any source on this directly, either, it's highly condensed and in my own dumb words.. lest I be sued for plagiarism ;) but were I having a book published such as this, I would contact each artist requesting permission for the specific piece to be used, for the artist to provide any references used where applicable, and where copyright exists... permission should be obtained from the owner of the original work for publication, (as Juno already stated).

A little CYA never hurts - I would also compose a release of liability form that included the above issues, e-mail them to the 2draw artists where possible, have them print them, fill them out, sign them and mail them back to you. At least this might keep you from being found liable for "willfull infringement", in which case you could lose your shirt, your shoes, your PANTS, and your underwear, too.

I would just say screw it.. show the pics that were nominated and forget about the book. Lawyers ruin everything

Say, this is turning out much like the great 2draw convention of 06. lol

Naw, just kiddn. I have a feeling Marcello is smart enough to make sure his ass is covered before doing anything this big.

Yep.

This made me late to my deer stand. Case law is boring. I'm going hunting, I know the game laws and how to break them.

Hummm I wonder how (youdraw) is able to have books made with everyones drawing? and I mean everyone, 500,000 drawings of people will be collected from the site and will be compiled in a book of which 12,000 copies will be produced. 12,000 books will represent a total of 6 billion drawings , eeekkk thats a lot of people lol, anyway I have no idea how they can use our drawings there for the books, I never said that could use mine, but I see some in the books lol, not that I mind, just dont understand how they can do it without someone say the word "ill sue them for using my drawings" lol

Cindy could I have some deer sausages? :)

At YouDraw there was probably some sort of fine print thing when we originally logged in that said _{by registering and posting art on this website you hereby give permission to blah blah blah}.... Click I Accept
_{if you agree}
or something like it that we totally didn't read and clicked "accept" and then started to draw. Who knows? Besides.... who is going to get a magnifying glass and put it over a gem loop and then put that under a high powered microscope to see any of that art? lol They did make posters as well, I think, but...
edit: I just noticed I misspelled willful up there. I can't type anything without finding something to edit in it. I'm fighting the urge to fix it by editing this one instead. You can even spell it *wilful*, but NOT willfull.

Yes, ma'am, you certainly may. Would you like mild, medium, or hot?

Hmm, long time ago since I thought about youdraw. I found my old drawing there too (online, not in a book) but I do remember that the book / publishing the drawings was the whole point of the site.

Youdraw, as I understand it, is slowly fading away. Just as well I have this place to come to. Much better in my opinion. And yes they had a series of posters. I never got one.... darn. _{Really wish there was a sarcasm emote}

YouDraw was fun for a minute or two. I'm not that easily entertained. "HEY!" Does anyone know if Marcello wears briefs or boxers? I'm curious as to what he's gonna be left walking around in. :D (Just kidding)

this is just an image book correct? no comments? 'cause if there are comments I won't bother nominating my favorite one

Erm, the nomination stage is over.

poop
sorry, I don't read too too much 'cause I have eye probs

that's the official deadline. you can try to still send nominations if you want, and depending what stage we are at with designing the book and choosing images we may or may not consider them. no guarantees at this point.

- Marcello

So you can still try to nominate, lori.

I highly doubt that the art book would contain the comments.

I hope the cover isnt the thing suggested, not a good marketing strategy.

When will it be ready!!!!
Me wants to buy!!!!

Damn I totally missed this-I would have nominated EverDream's entire userboard but especially SIN. :( I hope it gets in there anyway.

When can we get a copy?????????????????

So, any news on when and where it is available?

no. :(

We might get lucky and it'll wind up on the outer walk in part of boarders.. I really wanna see it. How big can we expect it to be like multiple pictures on each page, or really thick and one pic per page.

At least we already kinda have the online version of the book :P

I actually would not like to be included in a book. I have my own reasons.

Lol... old project is old. I respect your choice though. (wishes he had the book)