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xwindflyer (Apr 8, 2004)
"Good Ole' Pelican's watercolors"
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fleeting_memory (Apr 8, 2004)
alright then-back in the day of what looks like those cheap water colors that my mom used to buy for me and my brother ^^
xwindflyer (Apr 8, 2004)
Lol, Just messin with ya. some of the best water color paintings I ever did, were with Prang water colors, like they use in grade shool.
davincipoppalag (Apr 8, 2004)
Now yer talkin..this is a great pic! DBA..xwind gets in the water club now too...
DeadlyBlondeArcher (Apr 12, 2004)
Yes, he does! I must've missed this one when it was posted finished. I love it, especially the water and the way the palette is magnified through the glass.
drawn in 2 hours 35 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
Public Boards/Beginner 
Pantera (Apr 10, 2004)
This is here on Oahu not far from where I live, I wish I could do a better job, because it is a beautiful site, and yes the name is Chinaman's Hat
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gloworm043 (Apr 11, 2004)
Beautiful...I love your colors and the water reflections...I'm trying to learn how to do that...pretty pic P.
Pandora (Apr 11, 2004)
I was in Maui and Kona and I have never seen anything so beautiful. This is truly like it.
Pantera (Apr 11, 2004)
Thank you all. I will practice making waves if I get good at it I will do a north shore drawing.
foxman8245 (Apr 12, 2004)
Hey, really nice outdoor scene!! I like the reflections off the water|!!
drawn in 43 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
Meh
shudson (Apr 11, 2004)
blah, I've been writing a paper on the Black Death all day and I just needed to draw something! Anything!
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DeadlyBlondeArcher (Apr 11, 2004)
Well, it looks like the Black Death is good inspiration for something, anyway. :) I really like your style.
Pantera (Apr 11, 2004)
Looks really cool :) I like all the colours in it.
davincipoppalag (Apr 11, 2004)
Great colors. Maybe suggest a bit of ground on the far edge of the river. It seems odd to have full treegrowth right up to the water. Nice..
foxman8245 (Apr 12, 2004)
I like the colors of the forest!!
drawn in 16 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
Public Boards/Intermediate 
xwindflyer (Apr 10, 2004)
still trying to learn
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DeadlyBlondeArcher (Apr 10, 2004)
Well, a quick learner you are. I love the starkness of this. Just the almost blank paper... I dunno, something about it is very mysterious. I like it.
xwindflyer (Apr 11, 2004)
Yes I did use the line tool for the lines, I can't draw a straight line with out it. lol. Thanks
davincipoppalag (Apr 11, 2004)
This is very good! I can't do lines without it either... it's there to use..why not?
BlackLaertes (Apr 11, 2004)
I agree! The line tool is your friend ^_^
drawn in 1 hour 37 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
thug (Apr 6, 2004)
from The Day the Earth Stood Still
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DeadlyBlondeArcher (Apr 7, 2004)
No, no, Amazon Women from the Moon. Where they just breed men for slaves (and for more breeding, of course) lol. I always wanted one of those suits, of course I have lipstick in every color, but I still don't have one of those silver suits.
Wraith (Apr 8, 2004)
Pretty cool! The reflections of Solid metal of some sort is Wicked awsome! GJ! :D
strangeoid (Apr 11, 2004)
Klatu Barrada Nikto! ^________^
davincipoppalag (Apr 11, 2004)
Thank you strangeoid! I was trying to remember those words since I saw this picture!
drawn in 2 hours 17 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
lp_phaery (Apr 10, 2004)
Just some sketching I felt like doing. By the way she is sucking a lollypop and is not smoking (smoking is very bad for you).
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marcello (Apr 11, 2004)
you know, sucking lollipops is very bad for you. all sorts of bad things can come from sucking a lollipop.
DeadlyBlondeArcher (Apr 11, 2004)
It is?!? Smoking is bad for me?!? Omg! I'm so glad you told me! *Throws camels out of purse into trash*
lp_phaery (Apr 11, 2004)
you can get healthy 99% sugar free, fruit flavoured lollipops that are double wrapped as not to get any infectious germs into it and does not contain highly cancerous substances but you cant get that in a cigarette (well not that i no of anyway)
lp_phaery (Apr 11, 2004)
drawn in 3 min
coloured
drawn in 48 min with Oekaki Shi-Painter
DinoFlorist (Apr 9, 2004)
Now there is evidence to support all of our conversation on file size, Icats! Same amount of time, both one layer, same program, canvas size, evrything. Btw, since you are a cat, this dog is gonna get you.
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marcello (Apr 10, 2004)
There's no "going into" about it, I made the system, I should know how it works. =P
Let me explain a little more in detail.
Ok first off, the number one affect on file size is the size of your canvas. If you draw large images, you'll take up more space, simple as that.
On 2draw, for each image you have a number of different files. You have the full quality PNG, an optional compressed JPG version (only if it is smaller than the PNG), then 3 different thumbnails (PNG or JPG, whichever is smaller, typically JPG is). Then for each version, you will have 2 small thumbnail versions (which are probably a rather small % of the image total space), and either a JPG or PNG copy of the version (whichever is smaller). Then last of all, you have a format specific to the applet.

As I said above, a PNG version is stored with every image, PNG is lossless compression. Take BMP, one of the simplest image formats around, for each pixel 4 bytes of space are used, so a 400x400 image will use 640KB, uncompressed. Now, PNG will actually compress the information considerably by taking regions of solid color that is, the exact same RGB for a rectangular block of area, and compress it quite well. This means a completely black image at 400x400 can compress to less than 1KB. However, if from one pixel to the next, the color changes (such as with a gradient, soft, or antialiased lines), it can barely compress that at all, and in the absolute worst case (where every single pixel is different across the canvas), your PNG file will approach that 640KB size of the BMP.
JPG on the other hand, is lossy and can compress images better by taking approximations of the image.

For the most part, the PNG and JPG files do not take enough space to cause a problem.

What hits you is the applet-specific format. On PaintBBS, Shi-Painter, and OekakiBBS, an 'animation' file is recorded, which is essentially a recording of each x,y pair of each drawing stroke. This is not really comparable to a video format (which would make huge files). The number of layers, size of strokes, number of undos, etc. all have no effect on the animation file. The amount of time you spend on a picture does not affect the animation size other than by the number of strokes. If you just leave the image open, nothing is recorded. In addition, this is compressed, generally creating a rather small image (less than 100KB) even for extremely elaborate files. So, the number of strokes will in fact affect the animation size, but you need to do a lot of strokes before it becomes significant.

The main difference is on Lascaux Sketch, which uses a bitmap format rather than animation. Lascaux Sketch's LSD format (quite comparable in size and features to Photoshop's PSD) stores the equivalent of a PNG file for each layer into one file. So in this case, the number of strokes, the amount of time, size of brush, etc. does not affect the end file size by any means. However, the size of the canvas, the number of layers, and complexity of the image (read the bit above about how PNG compresses images) all affect the end result.

There are pros and cons to both methods. On average, the bitmap format Lascaux Sketch uses is much larger than an equivalent image stored in animation format. So, from a server standpoint, animation is better. However, the cons of animation format is 1) when you want to resume an image, you have to wait for the computer to "rebuild" the image from the animation so that all the layers are preserved. 2) it is much harder to make a 'stable' animation format. If the animation data gets corrupted or stored incorrectly anywhere in the image, everything after that point will either be completely lost or just turn out plain wrong. In the case of the bitmap format, it is really a matter of what-you-see-is-what-you-get. The layers you had when you saved/submitted your image will turn up exactly as you had when you load it again.

An animation format for Lascaux Sketch has been made, but is currently incomplete (does not support a lot of layer operations, selections, text, and so on), meaning the image would not load back up as you drew it.
evil_cloud (edited Apr 11, 2004)
i like this, and i ask, why thrumbnails of this kind of pics rock so much?


PS: LOL MARCELLO -100 points for so long comment ^^U
davincipoppalag (Apr 11, 2004)
Gives Marcello 200 points for the informative dissertation.. thanks..
DeadlyBlondeArcher (Apr 11, 2004)
Um, yeah, okay. I comprehended like two sentences of that stuff. You just build it, I'll just play with it. :)
drawn in 11 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
Public Boards/Beginner 
staci (Apr 10, 2004)
haw
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marcello (Apr 11, 2004)
dba: just read my comment on the other one... it has everything you need to know.
DinoFlorist (Apr 11, 2004)
Yes, on this one we were testing the PNG compression. This uses mroe different colors
marcello (Apr 11, 2004)
by different colors I don't mean what you think are different colors, such as red and blue, but digitally different colors, such as 127,127,127 and 127,127,128. You could do an image entirely in grayscale and it'd be a huge png.
DeadlyBlondeArcher (Apr 11, 2004)
yeah, or brownscale. lol
drawn in 14 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
Public Boards/Intermediate 
GG
staci (Mar 6, 2004)
maybe one more
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Consequential_Biopsy (Mar 9, 2004)
Not much more to say than 'bloody fantastic'. The composition and simplicty of the pic are great, and you are getting damn good at drawing these faces!
mazi (Mar 9, 2004)
awesome, looks like an uber old portait, esp with the offwhite bg. love the expression.
two-na (Mar 14, 2004)
wow, this one stuck out, love the contrast you use in all of your images, so COOL
Hedwiga (Apr 11, 2004)
greta garbo!! awesome!
drawn in 2 hours 2 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
cmb (Mar 9, 2004)
just got back from Yoga class and had an image in my head I wanted to draw
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cmb (Mar 12, 2004)
Thanks all- your comments have been noted ( and appreciated)! Axil you always make me laugh!
jasmin (Mar 12, 2004)
This is very good cmb.Iam glad to see you here.this is Nellyvette who wants to say hi .Keep working ,your work is fantastic.
cmb (Apr 11, 2004)
Oh just realised - the red is her sock!
cmb (Feb 9, 2007)
drawn in 3 min
you know for all this time I never realised what people were going on about with the red colour- than I turned up the brightness on my screen and realised I had used dark red instead of dark blue in some of the shadows.. so now I have painted it out,,,,,argh! I have the light on the screen turned down because everything looks too bright...
drawn in 25 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
 
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