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ToraNeko (Apr 17, 2004)
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9 comments – latest 4:
marcello (Apr 17, 2004)
princess mononoke?
ToraNeko (Apr 17, 2004)
.... It does look like Mononoke Hime... Yeah, the pose is hard, I fell on my head while practiceing it >.<
fleeting_memory (Apr 18, 2004)
Mononoke-but weren't those thingies red? And then at the end the wolf head slithered through the black blobs and bit off the lady's arm...*shudders*
Darknightstar (May 17, 2004)
......O.O.....Love it.....:clap:
sadly enough...I know how she feels......
drawn in 2 hours 41 min with Oekaki Shi-Painter
ToraNeko (Mar 26, 2004)
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3 comments – latest 3:
PinkuEspeon (Mar 26, 2004)
Aww! Why's she crying? BTW... this is a REALLY great picture! ^_^
esaure (Mar 26, 2004)
I really like the detail, like the braid on one side, to neat! And the tears look so sad but purdy. ^^
MrZebra (Apr 18, 2004)
Thats so cool yoshi!! You do like the furries removing clothes don't you - Geany (just kidding its me the annoying british git james)
Unfinished
drawn in 1 hour 22 min with Oekaki Shi-Painter
ToraNeko (Mar 20, 2004)
What should I color the hair?
8 comments – latest 4:
Minitsaru (Mar 21, 2004)
black and red highlights. i think =) looks great so far cant wait til its done.
ToraNeko (Mar 22, 2004)
drawn in 6 min
Okay, I played with the hair >.<
Childlike_Vampire (Mar 29, 2004)
Ooh, so pretty, awesome coloring. *sits and stares* Oh how I wish I was on my own computer and not the creppy library's computer. The eyes, the droplets...this is really awesome, I don't understand why there aren't more comments. ^__^
fleeting_memory (Apr 2, 2004)
I love it-the hair came out perfect as well as everythign else-as it always does with your paintings >v< Great job I seriously love this one
drawn in 4 hours 32 min with Oekaki Shi-Painter
ToraNeko (Mar 1, 2004)
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5 comments – latest 4:
dixielandcutie (Mar 6, 2004)
i love your draws, and they are so filled with emotion. i think its wonderful. and your coloring is amazing too. cant wait to see this done!
ProjectZeppher (Mar 6, 2004)
kOleRiNg!
err.. er. eh...
*sighs*
PinkuEspeon (Mar 14, 2004)
Wow! ^_^ You did a great job on the hair! ^_^
esaure (Mar 26, 2004)
whoo, this should be an interesting picture, i really like the pose. Poor guy. ^^
Unfinished
drawn in 3 hours 52 min with Oekaki Shi-Painter
ToraNeko (Mar 1, 2004)
Now isn't this just an awe inspering title? lol
37 comments – latest 4:
Neko (Mar 6, 2004)
Reading all that arguing made me angry. Then I scrolled back up to see the picture and I got happy again! Such is the power of art.

I could just fall in love with this picture. Everything's there, all placed to it's right place making this a balanced masterpiece. The colours, lineart... heck, even the slight reflection on the water or how them fingers show through the water.

I like the original, felineish creature, as it reminds me of a fursona I created for my best friend. She, too, has horns and cat-like features and hooves. Even the hair-colour reminds of her. And am I bitching about copyrights? Hell no.~ Since it's said that a room with a hundred chimpanzees, given the time and typewriters, could type the whole Shakespeare productions, then why couldn't two people in this world come up with similar-looking characters? Not to say that they remind (as Marcello said) in any other real way that both are furries and have horns.

And if my comment starts the whole stupid, insensible whining all over again, I'm sorry in advance.
Alinnia (edited Mar 8, 2004)
'Artistic Moderator' also seems to be a popular oxymoron these days, eh, Marcello?

After a wonderfully busy weekend, and a successful college art sale... I have finally found the time to make my final comment on this peice. Sure, it's a nice peice. The drawing is nice. The coloring is nice. The idea is nice. But the character design is not original... it's as simple as that. It disappoints me to see such uncreative artists... and irrisponsible moderators. It's irritating to know that the 'attitudes' of the DeviantArt Admin have migrated on to other sites that /seem/ to have so much potential...

I really don't know if these 'programmers-turned-art-board-mods' understand what they've gotten themselves into. I know of many, hardworking, original character designers, many moving into the feild of animation, like myself, who constantly have their character designs copied and stolen, and the administration of the site do /nothing/ about it. (Some administration are MUCH better than others... Tiemann of the TLKFAA is rather strict about copyright laws... and he's well-respected for that.) If /I/ didn't think I was being ripped off, I wouldn't've said anything. Anything at all. ...

(And YES, ToraNeko, as a matter of fact, before most character designers come up with a new concept, we DO search the internet quite thuroughly to see what current designs are out there, and what is at the height of pop culture in the current time, to make /sure/ our concepts are different than those around us... it's all part of our responsibility as designers... If you can't take on that responsibility... DON'T DO IT.)

And of COURSE the world is built on modifying different things. My character in and of himself must be made of at least 12 different concepts from existing characters from popular series'... but you'd never know. It IS a hybrid of 2 different animals.. animals aren't copyrighted.. however, within the thousands of combinations one /could/ have made with these animals, why should 2 designs look /that/ simliar at all? And when I say look at the image, I mean put both of them side-by-side and compare. NOT look at /one/ picture for two seconds, and then ('try to') look at the other for two seconds.. of course you're going to conclude and assume without looking.

It's sad that artists can't use the internet as a tool for their work, and not be safe. And when I say artists, I don't mean the fanboys, fangirls, and wannabes that frequent these sites. I mean the artists who know what they're doing. The serious ones who plan on doing this as a career for the rest of their lives. Not some little hobby that they do once in awhile. It's sad that those serious about their practition have to be cautious about what they do, and what they post, in fear of the concept of those who can't seem to reach beyond what they see right in front of them.

Personally, I don't think these sites should be supported anymore. No 2draw. No DeviantArt. No Elfwood. No VCL. No mass-oriented art sites at all in existance. There are too many fan-wannabes that look through them... wannabes that just don't appreciate originality for what it is. Private galleries are the way to go, and I can assure you that artists DO NOT need any of these silly sites to get exposure, or to share their art with other people. Sure, I thought it was fun in the beginning... but now it's just out of hand. Moderators are irrisponsible... most 'members' and 'critics' even moreso... equality is null.

These sites no longer have my support. No funding. No art. No reccomendations. Only warnings to those who may wish to join. Don't post your ideas on these sites.. fan-wannabes /will/ steal them..

And those who haven't had their ideas ripped-off yet? ... Watch. It'll happen. Then you'll know how /I/ feel.
marcello (edited Mar 9, 2004)
All I can say is: OMG LMFAO

Find me some people who actually agree with you, because there sure are a lot of people who do not. Copyright law is not being broken here, so do not make it sound like someone is doing you a great injustice.

edit: at the expense of my linear algebra homework, I am gonna actually try replying to your message. Although I find it hard to stop laughing.

'Artistic Moderator' also seems to be a popular oxymoron these days, eh, Marcello?
Despite what you might think, the moderators for a site are to help me, not you. No where do we claim to be artistic moderators or professionals in the field of critiquing or judging your pictures. We are not paid enough for that.

After a wonderfully busy weekend, and a successful college art sale... I have finally found the time to make my final comment on this peice.
Sorry to take you away from your busy schedule. But aside from your effort to make yourself sound superior again, you really need to learn how to spell. A college student has no excuse for misspelling 8 words in something that short, especially with words such as "piece," "irresponsible," "field," "thoroughly," and so on. And none are typos.

I really don't know if these 'programmers-turned-art-board-mods' understand what they've gotten themselves into. I know of many, hardworking, original character designers, many moving into the feild of animation, like myself, who constantly have their character designs copied and stolen, and the administration of the site do /nothing/ about it.
First off, as we do not know of every character or drawing submitted on the internet, we really cannot do anything about pieces that no one says anything about. In this case, there is no relation at all between the characters to give you any case.

(Some administration are MUCH better than others... Tiemann of the TLKFAA is rather strict about copyright laws... and he's well-respected for that.)
Then e-mail him and send him this link, and have him CC me a reply, I want to hear his opinion.

before most character designers come up with a new concept, we DO search the internet quite thuroughly to see what current designs are out there, and what is at the height of pop culture in the current time
Care to share how one goes about doing this? How would someone find your design, for example, and know to avoid copying it? Search for "original furries with horns" on google?

And when I say look at the image, I mean put both of them side-by-side and compare. NOT look at /one/ picture for two seconds, and then ('try to') look at the other for two seconds.. of course you're going to conclude and assume without looking.
Again, you continue to insult my intelligence. And though undeserving, I spent quite a bit of time looking over both of them, side-by-side to see if I could see what you meant. Alas I found quite the opposite, as I detailed in my previous messages.

It's sad that artists can't use the internet as a tool for their work, and not be safe. And when I say artists, I don't mean the fanboys, fangirls, and wannabes that frequent these sites. I mean the artists who know what they're doing. The serious ones who plan on doing this as a career for the rest of their lives. Not some little hobby that they do once in awhile. It's sad that those serious about their practition have to be cautious about what they do, and what they post, in fear of the concept of those who can't seem to reach beyond what they see right in front of them.
Quite sad. Definitely not safe, in fact, you might even get a virus! *shocker* I want to find someone serious about their "practition." (P.s. I am mocking you here, because your b.s.ing is amusing.)

Personally, I don't think these sites should be supported anymore. No 2draw. No DeviantArt. No Elfwood. No VCL. No mass-oriented art sites at all in existance. There are too many fan-wannabes that look through them... wannabes that just don't appreciate originality for what it is.
Do not support them, then. No one is forcing you.

Private galleries are the way to go, and I can assure you that artists DO NOT need any of these silly sites to get exposure, or to share their art with other people.
You realize you sound like a snob when you say that, right?

Sure, I thought it was fun in the beginning... but now it's just out of hand. Moderators are irrisponsible... most 'members' and 'critics' even moreso... equality is null.
This is your problem, you are so caught up in the politics of it that you cannot do it for fun. 2draw is not a place to post your resume, it is to have fun drawing in one's spare time.

And those who haven't had their ideas ripped-off yet? ... Watch. It'll happen.
Wow, if something this "similar" is the worst that will happen when someone rips me off, I guess I should not be too worried about anything!

Then you'll know how /I/ feel.
I shudder at the thought.

And in conclusion, your design is not that great. I mean, come on, it is a furry.
Dainamo (Mar 9, 2004)
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Marcello... most people against furry art don't find originality in their peices... I've seen a few rants and such where furry artists feel 'unloved' as opposed to a person who copies 'anime' art
o.o *shrugs* But that's just me.. find one of those people supporting her? Well I'd be one :3
Watch as I end up on some.. hit list now or something x.x;;

.... and yis, Mr. Tiemann is very strict about such things... I doubt Alinnia will be stopping here anymore so I'll deliver him this postage and stuff, alrighties? :3

Sometimes I just wish some peeps would see eye to eye instead of thinking their views are always correct...
Although posting to the pic...
only thing I see wrong with it is the tongue... x.x Too red for my tastes.. other than that, it's a fine peice. If it was copy designed or not, I like it :3
drawn in 3 hours 26 min with Oekaki Shi-Painter
ToraNeko (Feb 27, 2004)
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15 comments – latest 4:
Childlike_Vampire (Feb 29, 2004)
Fuckin sweet piccy, I like her boobs, and the shading on the pants. Nice texture too. ^__^
PinkuEspeon (Mar 2, 2004)
*is sad* I'm telling you! Even though I use a mouse and all... I'll NEVER, I'll say it again... NEVER, EVER, EVER be as good as you!! XD You're such a great artist!! Wow! I love the results of this!
Noremac (Mar 5, 2004)
ill set her free with my key of eternity making her mine
so she can walk the world at my side until the end of time
15grifficorntears (Mar 16, 2004)
cam is being poetic again!!!!!!
why does the chain connect to her chest? just want to know. i like it very much.
drawn in 5 hours 42 min with Oekaki Shi-Painter
ToraNeko (Feb 23, 2004)
I need Help with the BG
14 comments – latest 4:
dixielandcutie (Feb 25, 2004)
thats gorgeous, i love what you did with it : )
Noremac (Feb 25, 2004)
blood. tis a sign of human life
oversoul_trump (Feb 28, 2004)
Very nice detail on the clothing, the only thing I would say to improve on is the wings, they look a bit off :P but that might just be me
fleeting_memory (Feb 29, 2004)
I love your drawings but they all make me so sad-I really hope that you are not as sad as you're drawings ^^;;;
drawn in 6 hours 21 min with Oekaki Shi-Painter
ToraNeko (Feb 21, 2004)
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4 comments – latest 4:
lucy_430 (Feb 21, 2004)
Lookin good so far. Nice shading. :)
Gigandas (edited Feb 21, 2004)
Another pic from ToraNeko^^.This will be exciting XD.Always good with both skills and creativity and you do a great job combining the two^^.Hope to see it when it's completed.
PinkuEspeon (Feb 21, 2004)
...*is sad* wow...... you draw so much better than me...... I can't do anything like that...
dixielandcutie (Feb 22, 2004)
wow, nice work so far. lovin the eyes! cant wait to see this done!
drawn in 2 hours 43 min with Oekaki Shi-Painter
ToraNeko (Feb 11, 2004)
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7 comments – latest 4:
marcello (Feb 12, 2004)
large canvases mean more space.
ToraNeko (Feb 12, 2004)
Thankyou for the Space!
BTW how do I make something that doesn't fit on the intermidiate Board fit? I mean, the canvas is too large..

Big Canvas big space Gatchya! *puts into memory, most likly to be forgotten in a momment*
lp_phaery (Feb 13, 2004)
All I have to say is-wow,wow,WOW.Its so cute I feel like crying...<sniff sniff>
Fluffysheep (Feb 15, 2004)
That's really really cute ! :3 I love how you drew the clothes ! Nice !
drawn in 5 hours 50 min with Oekaki Shi-Painter
ToraNeko (Feb 12, 2004)
I was trying to fit both guys in.
11 comments – latest 4:
lp_phaery (Feb 13, 2004)
GREAT background and foreground,basically tha whole pic is awsome.!!!
oversoul_trump (Feb 29, 2004)
Very cool, nice ripple effect
SaheraNights (Mar 2, 2004)
OMG hes soooooo cute..and omg..that must hurt...Reminds me of Ying and Yang alot
Cordelia_Pink (Jul 13, 2004)
lol whoa this is interesting. the subject matter is pretty 14A-ish I'd say lol since the blood and scars on his face in his reflection on the water is pretty intense. But overall it's a pretty cool pic. good job.
drawn in 8 hours 40 min with Oekaki Shi-Painter
 
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