You know how some people like to comment on everything just to be commenting? Well how about this.
The points you accumulate would be deducted for each letter you type...one letter, one point. If you run out of points you have to draw enough to get enough points back to be a useless blabber mouth again.

That would take care of "poppa *cough* sweetie" wouldn't it? Hahhhh... (did I say that?) yes, I did.

We should just not get points for commenting.

Which is worse, dumb comments or dumb pictures?

I think they go hand in hand....sort of generate each other..not always, but in general.

I think dumb pictures are worse, you can't avoid them. Comments you can just ignore.

remove all points full stop :)

The points you accumulate would be deducted for each letter you type...one letter, one point. If you run out of points you have to draw enough to get enough points back to be a useless blabber mouth again.

That would end in a begginer board spam that would make 2draw close :P

And for example, what about those people who do masterpieces, but once a month? Don't they have the right to make good comments on others artwork?

Axil, i know what your talking about, but this isnt the way to solve it. The way to solve it is just to ban them :P

Think about it... the idea is completely worthless unless you deem all comments useless (in which case you would be both asanine and hypocritical). If someone wants to constructively criticize a piece of art they are on average going to use more words than idiotic commentary such as "wow" and "that's good". And as has been pointed out already, it would also have the reverse effect of producing more crappy drawings just so people can comment more.

"One letter, one point" isn't a hard and fast rule, it's just a representation of the concept. The ratio of points to words or letters can be adjusted. If someone does crappy drawings just to get points, the drawings should get deleted anyway, just like it's supposd to work now (in wich case the mods would have to actually do something, so I guess that would be insane). And how would it deem all comments useless? That makes no sense at all. If you knew you were going to burn points, you would be more likely construct a comment that it worth posting.

I'm.... confused.

The essence of the point system in this case at face value is to have people draw in order to get points to comment? The longer the comment naturally the more points you use if using -1 to 1 letter/word/line. If you set up a ratio so that the longer the comment the fewer points you use up, people could simply just type the longest bullshit comment they can think of. It might be more flowery language, but the potential for crappy comments is still there and probably hasn't been discouraged at all. So it seems unlikely that there really is a good way to set up a ratio related to the length of the comment to guarantee that the comment is actually good.

The point system right now involves everything you draw/post/comment. So if we did subtract from that score it would basically mean that you are being penalized every time you commented. Hence you would say that the comments are "bad" and that the point system actually penalizes you. It's kinda of "assume guilty until proven otherwise..."

The way it works right now is you get a very small amount for commenting, and you're only penalized if the comment is deleted. That's more of an "assume innocent until proven guilty" approach. If all this is just asking for stricter commenting rules or something you could just suggest that, or not read the comments in the first place.

No, I wasn't suggesting a set up that rewards a longer comment. I was saying that it could be done at a different point to letter ratio, for example. 1 point for each 5 letters, or 4 or whatever. This doesn't reward or encourage longer wordy comments, it just shows that the ratio of points to words doesn't neccissarily have to be 1 to 1. The point system now is pointless (no pun intended). However, I do see your "point" about the idea possibly causing people not to comment, feel a sense of "comments are bad". But think of it as you might a bank account, you have X amount in your account, this affords you the power to buy things, but you can't just go out and buy whatever whenever because you only have X amount, if you want more, earn it (drawings). If the drawings aren't within guidelines or up to standards, you get nothing. No one is assumed guilty, the proof is right there in front of you. If were going to have points, they should have value, serve a purpose. I guess the idea just isn't that good. I'll leave it be. Thanks for the feedback though, good exercise.

oh... boy... now I'm really confused... what's your point? :) :) :)

Oh for Christ sakes, never mind....it has no point, my idea was stupid, pointless, poorly thought out and absolutely ridiculous. The point system now is perfect, it works and has both purpose and value. I don't know what I was thinking, please forgive me.

I thought it was a great idea until everybody started confusing me. :(

i sinceresly like the change of master to addict, and i would even like it if it changed to nerd :P

I agree, the point system is pretty useless these days. Although it does work for what it was originally intended quite well. One day when I feel like it, I'll replace it with something else. Until then, nothing wrong with proposing alternatives.

It is true that the positive values of the current point system is basically meaningless (rather high point values means the user is spending more time relative to other users doing stuff, not necessarily constructive). The current system is only to automate the banning of accounts in direct relation to the loss of points. So really the only significance is the reduction of points when something gets moderated.

In the future as opposed to relying on a point system, comments/drawings/etc. will probably not use a simple point system but rather somehow incorporate a "reputation" over the history of the user. That way there might be a way to determine without abstract points how much one has contributed to or detracted from the community. That way spammers will be known as such and not simply by a very large point value.

yea. zoraw will take over. and control everyone!

did this result in axils points getting taken away? why does he only have 262 or so?

lets just say he saved his account for that price? (dunno, im spoiling around *nerf nerf*) <:D

Is someone ever gets 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 points i think marcello should give them everything he owns.

No one ever will. The server has a limit of 4 billion or so.

lol

Dang, oh well lol.

so. really no one understood what he was saying?...because it made perfect sence to me.... point would be like money. and you have to work (draw) to get more. and if you spend it all on one thing(a comment) then you must go back to work.

why was that difficult??

well whatever. :)

If I type up a one or two paragraph critique trying to help someone improve their work, why should I be punished for it? I'm not going to sit around drawing endless pictures I don't feel like drawing just so I can type a sentence or two. On the contrary, I"d find a free web site, type my comment there, and link to it.
Anyhow, it sounds more like a penal system to me. If you commit a misdemeanor (comment), you have to pay for it with community service (drawing).

It's not that we don't understand what the idea is, the problem is the monetary system doesn't work all that well. The person giving the "money" (points) really doesn't get anything out of it, therefore it's not encouraging people to make comments. Think about the real world, do you like paying for every minute you talk on your cell phone? Would you like to pay everytime you wanted to say something? Even though points aren't really money, it's the same idea.

I think we should get points for all the comments we get.Not the comments we give

Cool Idea!!!

kay..

i know this might sound stupid (oh well, yes it does).

Something like Karma/respect/idonno. Every user has the right to exalt or smite it in 1 point. :D

I think there should be a reason for having points in the first place.

There is; currently it's used to ban abusive users. The unfortunate side-effect, however, is that longtime users take an inordinate time to ban.

The current point system will eventually be replaced because of its obvious shortcomings, and your suggestion is appreciated. It's not ideal though in that it might require even more active moderation than currently, which is the opposite direction we want to move. Ideally we would like a more self-regulated community, which will be easier to maintain as 2draw continues to grow.

Personally, I would rather encourage all kinds of comments and reward them where possible, since it can be difficult to get people to comment in the first place. Just look at DeviantArt. The work there doesn't get nearly as many comments.

Oh please oh please, don't throw me in that ole briar patch Mr Fox.

Picture Ratings that increase or decrease your points...
Karma/Respect points...

Karma? As in... if you did something bad in the past, we do something to punish you? I get it, you used to suck, so now that you might be good it'll come back and bite you in the ass ;p