The little stunt with the Nazi symbol got me thinking. We need some kind of filter that filters out sexism, discrimination, racist, or any kind of that bullshit. Or at least more mods to keep it clean on the site.

Stunts like that nazi one infuriates many of the fellow 2drawers, and I'm just keeping an eye out for some of their emotions. You don't want many people ranting, pissed off, and flaming up the ass do you?

Well, it's just a suggestion.. if it's not a good one just iggy it.

5th amendmant

I'm just saying we do have a part of the site that is mainly young children. Don't you think those catagories are bad influences on them?

That is why we have display settings. So you can manage who should see the work. Yet, you can view these picks when they tell you to " Click here" This is a goof, because all ages can click on this and view 18+ art. I know Marcello meant this in good faith, Knowing that people should view these works maturely and in a artist way, but not everyone views it that way and starts screaming for heads to roll. HuH Huh...I said Head.. Huh huh. :}

hmm... I guess you're right. But, I still think we need more mods to keep 2draw flowing better.

I don't really see what the 5th amendment has to do with it this, and freedom of speech (which we ALL know is the 1st one *edits first comment* <_<) doesn't apply here either because, to my knowledge, it's a privately owned site. Just like you can't walk into a restaurant and start soliciting or preaching or whatever, if they don't want you to.

There's not really any way you can stop kids from viewing 18+ pictures on here without everyone sending they're birth certificates to Marcello. lol
I'm sure the Mods do their best.

Hitler was a nice artist! http://hitler.org/art/nudes/
I look at all the nude girls he drew and get aroused. >;)
He should have made a career as an artist instead of a racist genocidal country leader. But I guess that in this world it is mostly the second kind of people that become succesful.
|XOD|

hey squee he rated it 13+

xod very nice pictures i love em

those pictures are very nice xodiak

Whatever then. Xod, I learned about the Holocaust at the end of the school year, yes, I know Hitler was an artist, but he was also a heartless murderer. That was just my suggestion..Plus I added that if you didn't want to see the suggestion just to ignore it.. OH well.. can't win for losing..

This is the first site I've seen that lets you choose what setting you could place it on.. eh.. whatever...

anyone want to learn german? its very useful you can cuss people out and they might not know what you are saying

my old Science teacher spoke German.. >> it was really weird cuz she couldn't say the words right.. No thanks on that part. I would but I'm still learning French and Japanese.

What's the point of cussing people out in a language they don't understand? >_o
they just wouldn't understand or get insulted by it. I frankly don't see the point.

Unlesssss you talk crap about someone in a language they don't understand WITH another person >:3
*hooray for mandarin Chinese!*

thats why all my friends know german also one of them taught me how to say one beer please

Unlesssss you talk crap about someone in a language they don't understand WITH another person >:3
*hooray for mandarin Chinese!*

OMFG HELL Yes!! X3 Pig Latin works too if you say it fast enough.

Monoplyguy> I meant FLUENTLY, how are you going to have a conversation
if you only know how to say cuss words and "one beer please" (and come on, you're 13, why would you NEED beer?)

Underage drinking = not cool

Squee> remember when I kept talking in piglatin that one day? (maybe I didn't talk to you..?) but yeh, that got annoying after a while XDDDD
too troublesome to type :3

Odd.. 0__0;; uhm.. the drinking part.. I uhm.. agree.. with ... Maiko on that part.. heh.. heh............yes.....uhm..

Example:Ou-yay are-ay a-ay itch-bay.. OOh.. how I love Pig Latin. :3

edit: Yay, that was me. X3

i know alot more than that plus i learned spanish too.

all i ever do is call someone something in german to my friends our favorite thing to say is bumsen du arschloc

i dont drink but my friend who taught me that does and he is 14

bumsen du arschloc

What the hell does that mean?

fuck you asshole

yay stud_muffin is on

But still, I mean, if you're not fluent enough to say like a whole few paragraphs of crap about someone to someone, it's really not worth it. ;\

like for example: nei ge ren zhen sha, ta dou bu hui shuo zhe me duo de yu hai zai jia zhuang ta neng shuo, zhe me fan ren, zai na
ta zhi shi yi ge shi san sui de sha xiao hai zi XD hai jue de he pi jiu shi hao dong xi, nei tian ta kai che he zui le jiu zhuang si le :O!!!

Jeesh. The other forum got locked for going off topic.... @_@

like for example: nei ge ren zhen sha, ta dou bu hui shuo zhe me duo de yu hai zai jia zhuang ta neng shuo, zhe me fan ren, zai na
ta zhi shi yi ge shi san sui de sha xiao hai zi XD hai jue de he pi jiu shi hao dong xi, nei tian ta kai che he zui le jiu zhuang si le :O!!!

Translation for the language impared? :3

all i got out of that was ......................drunk.........................................................................shark

haha, yeah 2draw is going dead D: please, back to topic people

Translation: that person is so stupid, they can't even speak that much of german but they still pretend they can, it's so annoying,
he's only a 13 year old little kid XD and he still thinks drinking is cool, one day he's gonna die from drunk driving :O!!!

of course, it's not pointed at anyone in general :3

Heheh, this forum is titled keep it clean, and now people are swearing at each other.

haha ;3 nicely done MaiMai.

lol yeah, the irony is kicking me in the shins.

well anyway, I think we should keep clean to a certain point, I mean I don't think anyone should draw pictures
bashing other races or etc etc, but they do have the right to express themselves.

>_> maybe ask marcello? :<

^^^
amen to that

i dont drink and i have never done drugs i have smelled the stuff though

Okay please, back on topic =__=

on the bus i rode one person wrote the kkk will rise and niggers and wiggers beware hes a pot head named jacob

Well, you're right there is freedom of speech but crude drawings are better than sexist racist or discrimination don't you think X__X

hes a pothead hehehehe thats funny a person with a clay pot on their head

X__X.. ok...

I think artists have a responsiblitity. People CAN draw crude and discriminating picture, but I think that if you're an artist
you won't do things that will make people think you're stupid. If you truly value the skills as an artist you have been given
it's really uneccesary for you to draw crude pictures, unless you're trying to make a statement. I think if you go out and draw
the Nazi symbol and say something like "that's so cool" or something, it's pointless and makes people angry at you. If you
draw a nazi symbol and say something like "stop the hate" maybe people won't be so angry at you. what I'm trying to say
is, if you're going to draw something that will have a deep impact on the people around you, think before you do it.

PLEASE stop getting off topic.

Perfectly said there Mai. Sure you can love being in the KKK but if you'd rather do art with the KKK stuff in it. Think before you draw. Don't do it if you know people won't agree with you or even give you good criticizm. You could draw the most beautiful people but let it all go downhill because it's of something of that origin. It happens to a lot of people. I agree totally with Maiko there.

Where is that famous nazi drawing that everyone talks about? May I see it please? <:)
|XOD|

It was deleted.

Was it a nice picture?
|XOD|

yes but we deleated it to make people stop bitching!!!

edit: Marc. Dude.. you should get your act together and act like your 13 at least.. sheesh

it was a swastika stud_muffin drew cuz it "looked cool"

he was at my house when he drew it

Nice, I have already drawn that! It is a lucky charm I have heard. <:)
|XOD|

Wow, now we know why you stand up for him. Marc, let him stand up for himself ok?

Well I understand you XOD. But there's no excuse for a 14 year old to draw something of such bad origin becuz it just looks cool. See what I'm saying?

Plux XOD you're a well respected artist on this site.

I think I am just silly. I can understand why you feel bad though. Make love, not war! >:D
|XOD|

i have replaced the picture its not exactly like the other one but its close

well, that was retarded of you now wasnt it? if the first one got deleted, wha makes you think you can get away with drawing it again? americas youth needs to learn to mature and act their age. dont just draw something because "it looks cool" the nazi organization is an extremely controversial subject and shouldnt be tossed around like a joke.

the simple fact that we even allow an "extreme" rating should imply the fact that we aren't inclined to delete controversial pictures. a shitty drawing is a shitty drawing. the fact that it was a swastika has little to do with the fact that it was deleted.

I'm not sure whether or not an obviously pro-nazi picture would be deleted if it had geniune artistic merits. to my knowledge no pictures have been deleted for being too controversial. however, it might be reasonable to say we draw the line at hateful pictures. I will consult with Marcello on the subject.

I was the one who originally requested it be deleted.
I wasn't offended, i just thought it was a stupid attempt to offend others with no thought or effort put into the drawing.
It was crap, and as such it should have and was deleted.

We should make another forum post asking if anyone here on 2draw is pro-nazi or racist. But not for banning them afterwards, but for loving them and becoming friends with them! Only the power of love can make people good. It is true, I saw it in the movie "Little Nicky" starring Adam Sandler. <:)
|XOD|

i dont see the big deal really. like zack said, theres an extreme rating for a reason; to block out offensive drawings. we cant decide which points of views are less appropriate, really. im sure for tons of drawings certain people would be offended. the swastika isnt even a completely nazi thing.

The swastika is a very old symbol with use widespread throughout the world. Sometimes referred to as a “Gammadion" "Hakenkreuz” or a "Flyfot,” it traditionally had been a sign of good fortune and well being The word “swastika” is derived from the Sanskrit “su” meaning “well” and “asti” meaning “being.” It also is considered to be a representation of the sun and is associated with the worship of Aryan sun gods. It is a symbol in both Jainism and Buddhism, as well as a Nordic runic emblem and a Navajo sign.

to get rid of a religious symbol interferes with freedom of speech and in itself is kinda like nazism, isnt it? kinda like when the nazis mistreated jewish people?

I'm not sure if you saw the drawing in question or not, but it was without thought or effort, it deserved to be deleted.
I do agree that the site should not be censored for content, just effort and quality

erm, she was just saying that how controversial a picture is has little to do with whether or not it's deleted. she wasn't defending the picture itself. you'll notice she didn't even mention the words "quality" or "effort."

I still think the site should be censored for content rather than effort and quality. I know there are some 18+ drawings that you can't even tell that they're 18+ sometimes 'cause it's just so badly drawn but like it's been said before, people visit the site in schools. lol I think it's just good the way it is, there's no need to make some changes to anything here. People just need to be more responsible when they rate their pictures and some people need to be more cautious too.

to get rid of a religious symbol interferes with freedom of speech and in itself is kinda like nazism, isnt it? kinda like when the nazis mistreated jewish people?

Not unless if it's offending people. What you might not find offending, might be offending to someone else. To me, it's not offending but that doesn't mean it's being insensitive (and I'm not saying you are). I think it's just safer if it's not visible anywhere at all. "Better safe than sorry".

i agree with xod little nicky is an awesome movie

Removing any potentially offensive content would be a great way to make this site extremely boring.

If it's your goal to straighten out the morals of netizens, do so in memos and comments, not through stringent administration.

Most 18+ drawings (with the exception of my silly drawings) are usually the best pictures in terms of effort and artistic quality. If everyone would try not to offend anyone, by anyone's offense standard, then there would be no drawing, just like the movie Pleasantville. >:)
|XOD|

Everything is just fine, don't change a thing, 2Draw is the best site, particularly because you can draw whatever you want. If you want a fascist oekaki site, look up Fearsome Oekaki. If you want clean and happy oekaki, just Google oekaki and you'll find plenty of clean sites.

Just to make clear, images should and will be set to whatever is the appropriate rating that will allow someone to filter it out with their own configuration settings. Basically if you don't want to see it, change your view rating settings and the mods will work to make sure that the ratings are enforced properly.

Mods have not and will not discriminate against discriminating images on terms other than quality/lack of effort. =P

the picture we drew had alot of little things the only reason we deleated it was because squee didnt like it

Niether did I, marc. I have a cousin who's jewish and I'm not sure if he was in the halocost, but I know his family remebers it. I also saw the halocost musium this week while in D.C and I'm not particually happy that people on here think it's 'cool' to draw the Nazi symbol. and if any of you are ever in Washington D.C., I'd advise you to see the Holocost place you'l learn alot.

Well, you see, the bad thing about the internet is, that you can't hide anything from anyone. People are still going to click on the image and look at it even if it says 18+. You can't do much about it. I think if you don't want to see it, just ignore the pictures that you don't like.

I wish I could see only the 18+ pictures in one place. <:(
|XOD|

Chances are Sutafani, your cousin was not in the Holocaust. Unless your cousin is.... Like..... Really.... Old...

he is old.. I'm his 2nd or 3rd cousin.

The holocaust was during WWII, around 1945. To have been in the holocaust as a 10-year-old child, he'd have to be 70 years old now.

oh oops >_< then it was his parents.. he is 55 -ish

I always wanted the site to be 13+ anyway (anyone under that age can't join or something) , so, worried about children being scarred? There ya go. Anyway, yeah...just putting in my two cents: I think everyone will get over it quite soon and move on with their lives. Things will remain the same and people will find something else to whine about.

exactly

the site is already 13+ little kids still get on it.

That is not the site's responsibility then. Just a sad, sad, fact of life that leaves annoyances for many a disgruntled old person.

Heheh. I'm only 12...... Heh.

I can tell.

Everyone can tell

In the (not so) near future, cloning will replace normal birthgiving and everyone will be born adult and with preprogrammed knowledge, so age will not be a problem. <:)
|XOD|

It would be great, if the site would be 13+

It is.

then why are here younger ones? Hmmh?

It's available for everyone; young and old.

Because of privacy laws, a webmaster is unable to know the real age of a user, among other personal information. They can only rely to the user's honesty, so the responsibility belongs to him/herself. >:)
|XOD|

then the 13+ thing will be just be an imagination. *sigh*

The "13+ thing" is not "imaginary". If absolutely necessary 2draw will ban/remove accounts that are under the age of 13. Read more about the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act. Personal information such as name, date of birth, email, etc. is provided optionally by the user and is displayed under the assumption that it is legal for us to do so. Email which may be explicitely required for user registration is not displayed automatically and is kept in a private database used only for the internal runnings of this website.

So if you're under the age of 13, don't be an idiot. It may be that in the future 2draw will have to somehow do some age verification or get parental consent of some sort.

so 2draw is going to remove those accounts? what if someone's got good drawings and stuff here...and her/his work will just disappear? Maybe we could leave those ones, who's been here at least a month out of this and delete the newbies, and don't let in anymore of those children. (who are under 13). but of course then, they will cheat about their ages.

If absolutely necessary, in other words if 2draw is legally threatened for this reason.

Good point.
I hope that in the future, Everybodey will be honest with their ages.

I think the entire internet should be 18+! >;D
|XOD|

Yes....if you go to places like that.. -_______-;; But of course there are important things on internet...like the TV's repertoire, or the e-mail thing..and blaah blaah. xD

TV should also be 18+. >;)
|XOD|

not ALL channel :P And there are age ratings on TV too.

Here's the cool pic that Xod did a lonnnng time ago: http://cellosoft.com/2draw/view/21961/

Looks great. but I didn't still get that what is it -__-;;

something in relation to this topic. Not offended? Oh ok. lol

I'm out. how does it go with the topic? I didn't get method3's explanation O.o

I made this one too: http://cellosoft.com/2draw/view/4663/
|XOD|

I like XOD's flag. Makes me feel all peaceful.

I like it too. Why is it rated Extreme?

Because some people don't agree with XOD's idea.

I believe that. But that flag was a great drawing.

Because it's a schwastika (sp?) and that's why the other picture mentioned before hand in this topic was deleted.

(same difference.)

But is 2draw going to do something about this problem? I mean the age thing?

Nyuusen:

the simple fact that we even allow an "extreme" rating should imply the fact that we aren't inclined to delete controversial pictures. a shitty drawing is a shitty drawing. the fact that it was a swastika has little to do with the fact that it was deleted.

edit: What do you propose we do about it, voodoobunny?

it wasnt deleated by a moderator me and stud_muffin deleated it because people didnt like it

What Zack said. Hell I even deleted one of my own drawings before because I thought it was shitty. Hell, there are actually a few others that
I wouldn't mind taking off, but it's too late.

Zack: I have no idea, just asked...^.^"

Sutifani, you hypocrite. Hah! I turn 13 in 1 month. _bastards
You too Nyuusen. I hate people who try to act mature to impress other people. Your not mature either. You are probibly not even 13 either. Well, maybe you are but you still suck. Ha!HA! HAAA! Don't you just love me?

Don't worry, We'll leave you alone xD just because you've been here a long time and you draw well :P Or at least I leave you alone.

Who me???

no. The flying elephant up there.
-__- Of course I mean you.

I like elephants. And flight just sweetens the deal.

I like elephants too. but the most I like skunks xD they are cute.

Keep the inane chatter to a minimum. I'm pretty sure the main points covering this topic have been covered.