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Neko (Mar 6, 2004)

Reading all that arguing made me angry. Then I scrolled back up to see the picture and I got happy again! Such is the power of art.

I could just fall in love with this picture. Everything's there, all placed to it's right place making this a balanced masterpiece. The colours, lineart... heck, even the slight reflection on the water or how them fingers show through the water.

I like the original, felineish creature, as it reminds me of a fursona I created for my best friend. She, too, has horns and cat-like features and hooves. Even the hair-colour reminds of her. And am I bitching about copyrights? Hell no.~ Since it's said that a room with a hundred chimpanzees, given the time and typewriters, could type the whole Shakespeare productions, then why couldn't two people in this world come up with similar-looking characters? Not to say that they remind (as Marcello said) in any other real way that both are furries and have horns.

And if my comment starts the whole stupid, insensible whining all over again, I'm sorry in advance.

Alinnia (edited Mar 8, 2004)

'Artistic Moderator' also seems to be a popular oxymoron these days, eh, Marcello?

After a wonderfully busy weekend, and a successful college art sale... I have finally found the time to make my final comment on this peice. Sure, it's a nice peice. The drawing is nice. The coloring is nice. The idea is nice. But the character design is not original... it's as simple as that. It disappoints me to see such uncreative artists... and irrisponsible moderators. It's irritating to know that the 'attitudes' of the DeviantArt Admin have migrated on to other sites that /seem/ to have so much potential...

I really don't know if these 'programmers-turned-art-board-mods' understand what they've gotten themselves into. I know of many, hardworking, original character designers, many moving into the feild of animation, like myself, who constantly have their character designs copied and stolen, and the administration of the site do /nothing/ about it. (Some administration are MUCH better than others... Tiemann of the TLKFAA is rather strict about copyright laws... and he's well-respected for that.) If /I/ didn't think I was being ripped off, I wouldn't've said anything. Anything at all. ...

(And YES, ToraNeko, as a matter of fact, before most character designers come up with a new concept, we DO search the internet quite thuroughly to see what current designs are out there, and what is at the height of pop culture in the current time, to make /sure/ our concepts are different than those around us... it's all part of our responsibility as designers... If you can't take on that responsibility... DON'T DO IT.)

And of COURSE the world is built on modifying different things. My character in and of himself must be made of at least 12 different concepts from existing characters from popular series'... but you'd never know. It IS a hybrid of 2 different animals.. animals aren't copyrighted.. however, within the thousands of combinations one /could/ have made with these animals, why should 2 designs look /that/ simliar at all? And when I say look at the image, I mean put both of them side-by-side and compare. NOT look at /one/ picture for two seconds, and then ('try to') look at the other for two seconds.. of course you're going to conclude and assume without looking.

It's sad that artists can't use the internet as a tool for their work, and not be safe. And when I say artists, I don't mean the fanboys, fangirls, and wannabes that frequent these sites. I mean the artists who know what they're doing. The serious ones who plan on doing this as a career for the rest of their lives. Not some little hobby that they do once in awhile. It's sad that those serious about their practition have to be cautious about what they do, and what they post, in fear of the concept of those who can't seem to reach beyond what they see right in front of them.

Personally, I don't think these sites should be supported anymore. No 2draw. No DeviantArt. No Elfwood. No VCL. No mass-oriented art sites at all in existance. There are too many fan-wannabes that look through them... wannabes that just don't appreciate originality for what it is. Private galleries are the way to go, and I can assure you that artists DO NOT need any of these silly sites to get exposure, or to share their art with other people. Sure, I thought it was fun in the beginning... but now it's just out of hand. Moderators are irrisponsible... most 'members' and 'critics' even moreso... equality is null.

These sites no longer have my support. No funding. No art. No reccomendations. Only warnings to those who may wish to join. Don't post your ideas on these sites.. fan-wannabes /will/ steal them..

And those who haven't had their ideas ripped-off yet? ... Watch. It'll happen. Then you'll know how /I/ feel.

marcello (edited Mar 9, 2004)

All I can say is: OMG LMFAO

Find me some people who actually agree with you, because there sure are a lot of people who do not. Copyright law is not being broken here, so do not make it sound like someone is doing you a great injustice.

edit: at the expense of my linear algebra homework, I am gonna actually try replying to your message. Although I find it hard to stop laughing.

'Artistic Moderator' also seems to be a popular oxymoron these days, eh, Marcello?

Despite what you might think, the moderators for a site are to help me, not you. No where do we claim to be artistic moderators or professionals in the field of critiquing or judging your pictures. We are not paid enough for that.

After a wonderfully busy weekend, and a successful college art sale... I have finally found the time to make my final comment on this peice.

Sorry to take you away from your busy schedule. But aside from your effort to make yourself sound superior again, you really need to learn how to spell. A college student has no excuse for misspelling 8 words in something that short, especially with words such as "piece," "irresponsible," "field," "thoroughly," and so on. And none are typos.

I really don't know if these 'programmers-turned-art-board-mods' understand what they've gotten themselves into. I know of many, hardworking, original character designers, many moving into the feild of animation, like myself, who constantly have their character designs copied and stolen, and the administration of the site do /nothing/ about it.

First off, as we do not know of every character or drawing submitted on the internet, we really cannot do anything about pieces that no one says anything about. In this case, there is no relation at all between the characters to give you any case.

(Some administration are MUCH better than others... Tiemann of the TLKFAA is rather strict about copyright laws... and he's well-respected for that.)

Then e-mail him and send him this link, and have him CC me a reply, I want to hear his opinion.

before most character designers come up with a new concept, we DO search the internet quite thuroughly to see what current designs are out there, and what is at the height of pop culture in the current time

Care to share how one goes about doing this? How would someone find your design, for example, and know to avoid copying it? Search for "original furries with horns" on google?

And when I say look at the image, I mean put both of them side-by-side and compare. NOT look at /one/ picture for two seconds, and then ('try to') look at the other for two seconds.. of course you're going to conclude and assume without looking.

Again, you continue to insult my intelligence. And though undeserving, I spent quite a bit of time looking over both of them, side-by-side to see if I could see what you meant. Alas I found quite the opposite, as I detailed in my previous messages.

It's sad that artists can't use the internet as a tool for their work, and not be safe. And when I say artists, I don't mean the fanboys, fangirls, and wannabes that frequent these sites. I mean the artists who know what they're doing. The serious ones who plan on doing this as a career for the rest of their lives. Not some little hobby that they do once in awhile. It's sad that those serious about their practition have to be cautious about what they do, and what they post, in fear of the concept of those who can't seem to reach beyond what they see right in front of them.

Quite sad. Definitely not safe, in fact, you might even get a virus! *shocker* I want to find someone serious about their "practition." (P.s. I am mocking you here, because your b.s.ing is amusing.)

Personally, I don't think these sites should be supported anymore. No 2draw. No DeviantArt. No Elfwood. No VCL. No mass-oriented art sites at all in existance. There are too many fan-wannabes that look through them... wannabes that just don't appreciate originality for what it is.

Do not support them, then. No one is forcing you.

Private galleries are the way to go, and I can assure you that artists DO NOT need any of these silly sites to get exposure, or to share their art with other people.

You realize you sound like a snob when you say that, right?

Sure, I thought it was fun in the beginning... but now it's just out of hand. Moderators are irrisponsible... most 'members' and 'critics' even moreso... equality is null.

This is your problem, you are so caught up in the politics of it that you cannot do it for fun. 2draw is not a place to post your resume, it is to have fun drawing in one's spare time.

And those who haven't had their ideas ripped-off yet? ... Watch. It'll happen.

Wow, if something this "similar" is the worst that will happen when someone rips me off, I guess I should not be too worried about anything!

Then you'll know how /I/ feel.

I shudder at the thought.

And in conclusion, your design is not that great. I mean, come on, it is a furry.

Dainamo (Mar 9, 2004)

:3
Marcello... most people against furry art don't find originality in their peices... I've seen a few rants and such where furry artists feel 'unloved' as opposed to a person who copies 'anime' art
o.o *shrugs* But that's just me.. find one of those people supporting her? Well I'd be one :3
Watch as I end up on some.. hit list now or something x.x;;

.... and yis, Mr. Tiemann is very strict about such things... I doubt Alinnia will be stopping here anymore so I'll deliver him this postage and stuff, alrighties? :3

Sometimes I just wish some peeps would see eye to eye instead of thinking their views are always correct...
Although posting to the pic...
only thing I see wrong with it is the tongue... x.x Too red for my tastes.. other than that, it's a fine peice. If it was copy designed or not, I like it :3

drworm (Mar 2, 2004)

I like the colors in this and the way the figure manifests itself... cool.

Childlike_Vampire (edited Mar 2, 2004)

Ooo classic Zappo. It's very awesome, I love the sexy colors, especially the magenta-ish. ^_^ ooh ooh also the dark contrast in the middle, looks 3d.

Fin_beast (Mar 2, 2004)

Do you just use the watercolour tool?
Very cool.
Like the hair!

Zappo (Mar 3, 2004)

i outline it in thick pen and bled the hell out of it after.....

DeadlyBlondeArcher (Mar 3, 2004)

But if the ovals weren't there it wouldn't have reminded me of the spiraley mosquitoe thingy at the drive in, and... I figured it had to be someone else in the Mod Squad that deleted it. On the time thing, though, I really think drawings should be judged first on artistic merit, and then if it totally sucks, look at the time spent, see if more time could have made it better, and then decide whether or not to delete it. I'm sure you already do that most of the time, but I have seen some real junk in here that is just annoying to even scroll past, and this one is interesting. Tea, anyone? :)

marcello (Mar 3, 2004)

On the time thing, though, I really think drawings should be judged first on artistic merit, and then if it totally sucks, look at the time spent, see if more time could have made it better, and then decide whether or not to delete it.

That's how it is now, look at the rules.

method3 (Mar 3, 2004)

8 minutes, and then 4 minutes. Someone was just messing around with the different tools and stuff. The only real tangible thing is the mushroom, the rest looks like randomly places ovals (are they there for a reason? if so, what's the reason?). What about the colors? Are they chosen for a reason? I think it's deletable material, but I don't know if I would bother actually deleting it (I didn't). The thing that really bothers me is the neon green squigly lines along the bottom which doesn't help the piece at all.

The rules:

This doesn't mean you can't post 5 or 10 minute sketches, but they have to be good 5 or 10 minute sketches, and they should be mixed with pictures you put more time into. Although there is something to be learned from quick sketches in traditional art, we strongly discourage submitting these sketches.

I don't think it's that great for a quick sketch even for beginner stuff.

As for whether drawings should be judged on artistic merit, I think there's still an acceptable "bottom line" as to what is just spam.

jayceepearl (Aug 20, 2004)

I thought the green squiggly lines at the bottom were grass. The ovals (in my eye) were a clay pot & lid to gather the mushrooms. But then, Dejas my sister so I know how she thinks. :) Or maybe not.