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SaheraNights and Mognet (Feb 24, 2004)
THis is ...well what I feel when I'm alone, If i had a messanger this is what it would be. a crow. To bring the gifts from other to me.. MUUHAHAHAHAHAHA
5 comments – latest 4:
Northern_shadow (Feb 24, 2004)
wohoo :D a crow, try adjust peak more round (it would look better).But everything else is really good
SaheraNights (Feb 24, 2004)
WOOT! GOOD COMMENTS!Didn't know people liked crows...uh...oh well
dixielandcutie (Feb 25, 2004)
oh wow thats cool, and i like the bg!!
SaheraNights (Mar 4, 2004)
Its a collab so..its all good. I did the crow wile Mognet did the bg and some of the crow
drawn in 1 hour 17 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
SaheraNights (Mar 2, 2004)
Heh, Me when I'm trying to act like I'm sick to miss school...Ex the glasses i'm wearing and thats me exagerated...man i wish i had that waist
4 comments – latest 4:
davincipoppalag (Mar 2, 2004)
a waist is a terrible thing to mind......
SaheraNights (Mar 3, 2004)
Yeah, I know. But if I had a waist like that, maybe my crush will talk to me! ^.^;
Pkingsora (Mar 3, 2004)
LOL very nice..hehe i see you like that blurrying tool..ah..a gift from god and acurse..greta job here though..i like your in this picture
SaheraNights (Mar 4, 2004)
Glad ya like it Pkingsora.. I worked hard on it..I tried to make it look like me..but..the red highlights in my hair are hard to put in..so thats me last year XD I guess
drawn in 15 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
amaranthine (Feb 12, 2004)
I made this a long time ago, and I thought I lost it....so it's here now.
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SaheraNights (Mar 4, 2004)
Good shading...I like the hair color..You need to sharpen it more though..Heh ^.^ its good though
drawn in 37 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
ok u two, just draw a battle ready mouse from a different time period. example, a cowboy mouse witha gun, or a ninja mouse witha sword.
6 comments – latest 4:
foxman8245 (Feb 28, 2004)
Nice collab .... which one is Annette Funicello ??
SaheraNights (Mar 2, 2004)
My mouse sucks...I shouldnt have added that earing..oh well thats why I call him Adagio!
Deformed (Mar 2, 2004)
He does not suck! He's just hight impared.
SaheraNights (Mar 3, 2004)
Height Impared?? Sounds like me!
drawn in 2 hours 6 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
SaheraNights (Feb 28, 2004)
Heh....
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dixielandcutie (Feb 28, 2004)
thats cool. maybe a litter sharper would be good tho
SaheraNights (Mar 3, 2004)
I was expirementing with Layers too..Think i did good?
drawn in 30 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
SaheraNights (Mar 2, 2004)
This is just practice..for fun
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SaheraNights (Mar 2, 2004)
glad ya like it! ^.^ You know Rikku I was just practicing and i was sleepy then..so yeah it was sloppy % -confuzzled- But thanks for the advice
cursive (Mar 3, 2004)
i like it ,really nice shape of the face & hair , but i think it would have looked good with the blue bg :D but thats just me
Deformed (Mar 3, 2004)
Sorry. I was just triing to help you.
SaheraNights (Mar 3, 2004)
I know Rikku and I appreciate it alot! ^.^ thanxies! glad you like it Dragonclaw and Cursive!
drawn in 22 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
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Childlike_Vampire and ToraNeko (Feb 7, 2004)
Some conversation
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Kasha (Apr 5, 2004)
the water has a nice effect. I'm not really sure if the mist was intended but it works really well. Great job :)
lilypad (edited Apr 24, 2004)
decideing to comment again on this pic because last time i was just talking to sahera. i really like this, nice job, you two! altho i DO agree with Daymeon...the boobs on the one sitting on the rock only look slightly odd because you can tell, but it's not completly there...the line for the right boob....i agree! they ARE sexy! it just needs a little more....er...obviousness. ok, so i'm not making any sense again...but i don't care! child, you know what i'm sayin'.... the coral and the starfish around the rock are cool, the waters sweet, the clifs are awsome. the merteens(o.O teens? or young ladies?) are the best part and icats is right, this pic needs more comments! this should be in the showcase(if it isn't already there) and get highly apreciated! ok..so it's not THAT good, but i would do all that stuff if this were MY site! anyways, this is neat and i like the idea that one would do the lineart for one of the merteens and the other colored her in and then visaversa for the other merteen. the bgs sweet, too(did i say that already??) and i think this just may be the longest comment on this pic yet....
bumpinthenight (May 26, 2004)
Very sweet... Such warm colors.... But not overbearing colors either.... Nice posing as well.... I just noticed somethine (and this is not a critical remark...)... Their hair is colored in two different ways... Neatoh!!! XD WAHAHAH!!! AlL Ph33r m4 c0mm3nt1n9 wr47h!!!
bakuraiscool (Jan 16, 2005)
This is pretty!
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drawn in 11 hours 4 min with Oekaki Shi-Painter
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ToraNeko (Jan 20, 2004)
Well, the Idea was ment to be cute
Okay, over the course of a day and a half, I have gone back to this picture, and draw on it when I felt in the mood, and other times, I just had to do something else. >.< This is the result, The BG bugs me, but I ran outta space, and I didn't wanna clutter the picture with something messy.
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Childlike_Vampire (Jan 21, 2004)
Oh, that's so very sweet. *wants a hug now* I like the wings, and the shines on the hair the very best. ^^
sal (Jan 21, 2004)
really nice pic... the hair looks very cool
ToraNeko (Jan 21, 2004)
lol, thankyou. The guys hair was hard though (O.O) strangly enough. I wanted ta give the girl wings too, so its like they are protecting eachother, but it didn't work out so well >.< So yeah, we settle with only the guy.
I want to protect you
I want to hold you true
I want to keep you from the rain
I want to bar off all your pain
Do you find solace in my arms?
As I find happiness in your charms?
I wish I could save you
I wish you truly knew
I wish from you nothing
I wish from you something
Will you love me true
As I do of you?
SaheraNights (Mar 2, 2004)
I think its perfect I got a Poem for it

Faith comes to me like rain to the earth,
Like fire burns straight from the hearth,
Your wings surround me, keeping me warm,
keeping me safe from the outside storm,
Asleep at your chest,
Your my angel,
the best
Your wings surround me like a blanket at night,
Your beautiful to me, What a sight,
for those who cant see,
the way you look at me,
your still my angel,
and angel for all to see.
drawn in 4 hours 31 min with Oekaki Shi-Painter
ToraNeko (Feb 12, 2004)
I was trying to fit both guys in.
11 comments – latest 4:
lp_phaery (Feb 13, 2004)
GREAT background and foreground,basically tha whole pic is awsome.!!!
oversoul_trump (Feb 29, 2004)
Very cool, nice ripple effect
SaheraNights (Mar 2, 2004)
OMG hes soooooo cute..and omg..that must hurt...Reminds me of Ying and Yang alot
Cordelia_Pink (Jul 13, 2004)
lol whoa this is interesting. the subject matter is pretty 14A-ish I'd say lol since the blood and scars on his face in his reflection on the water is pretty intense. But overall it's a pretty cool pic. good job.
drawn in 8 hours 40 min with Oekaki Shi-Painter
ToraNeko (Mar 1, 2004)
Now isn't this just an awe inspering title? lol
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Neko (Mar 6, 2004)
Reading all that arguing made me angry. Then I scrolled back up to see the picture and I got happy again! Such is the power of art.

I could just fall in love with this picture. Everything's there, all placed to it's right place making this a balanced masterpiece. The colours, lineart... heck, even the slight reflection on the water or how them fingers show through the water.

I like the original, felineish creature, as it reminds me of a fursona I created for my best friend. She, too, has horns and cat-like features and hooves. Even the hair-colour reminds of her. And am I bitching about copyrights? Hell no.~ Since it's said that a room with a hundred chimpanzees, given the time and typewriters, could type the whole Shakespeare productions, then why couldn't two people in this world come up with similar-looking characters? Not to say that they remind (as Marcello said) in any other real way that both are furries and have horns.

And if my comment starts the whole stupid, insensible whining all over again, I'm sorry in advance.
Alinnia (edited Mar 8, 2004)
'Artistic Moderator' also seems to be a popular oxymoron these days, eh, Marcello?

After a wonderfully busy weekend, and a successful college art sale... I have finally found the time to make my final comment on this peice. Sure, it's a nice peice. The drawing is nice. The coloring is nice. The idea is nice. But the character design is not original... it's as simple as that. It disappoints me to see such uncreative artists... and irrisponsible moderators. It's irritating to know that the 'attitudes' of the DeviantArt Admin have migrated on to other sites that /seem/ to have so much potential...

I really don't know if these 'programmers-turned-art-board-mods' understand what they've gotten themselves into. I know of many, hardworking, original character designers, many moving into the feild of animation, like myself, who constantly have their character designs copied and stolen, and the administration of the site do /nothing/ about it. (Some administration are MUCH better than others... Tiemann of the TLKFAA is rather strict about copyright laws... and he's well-respected for that.) If /I/ didn't think I was being ripped off, I wouldn't've said anything. Anything at all. ...

(And YES, ToraNeko, as a matter of fact, before most character designers come up with a new concept, we DO search the internet quite thuroughly to see what current designs are out there, and what is at the height of pop culture in the current time, to make /sure/ our concepts are different than those around us... it's all part of our responsibility as designers... If you can't take on that responsibility... DON'T DO IT.)

And of COURSE the world is built on modifying different things. My character in and of himself must be made of at least 12 different concepts from existing characters from popular series'... but you'd never know. It IS a hybrid of 2 different animals.. animals aren't copyrighted.. however, within the thousands of combinations one /could/ have made with these animals, why should 2 designs look /that/ simliar at all? And when I say look at the image, I mean put both of them side-by-side and compare. NOT look at /one/ picture for two seconds, and then ('try to') look at the other for two seconds.. of course you're going to conclude and assume without looking.

It's sad that artists can't use the internet as a tool for their work, and not be safe. And when I say artists, I don't mean the fanboys, fangirls, and wannabes that frequent these sites. I mean the artists who know what they're doing. The serious ones who plan on doing this as a career for the rest of their lives. Not some little hobby that they do once in awhile. It's sad that those serious about their practition have to be cautious about what they do, and what they post, in fear of the concept of those who can't seem to reach beyond what they see right in front of them.

Personally, I don't think these sites should be supported anymore. No 2draw. No DeviantArt. No Elfwood. No VCL. No mass-oriented art sites at all in existance. There are too many fan-wannabes that look through them... wannabes that just don't appreciate originality for what it is. Private galleries are the way to go, and I can assure you that artists DO NOT need any of these silly sites to get exposure, or to share their art with other people. Sure, I thought it was fun in the beginning... but now it's just out of hand. Moderators are irrisponsible... most 'members' and 'critics' even moreso... equality is null.

These sites no longer have my support. No funding. No art. No reccomendations. Only warnings to those who may wish to join. Don't post your ideas on these sites.. fan-wannabes /will/ steal them..

And those who haven't had their ideas ripped-off yet? ... Watch. It'll happen. Then you'll know how /I/ feel.
marcello (edited Mar 9, 2004)
All I can say is: OMG LMFAO

Find me some people who actually agree with you, because there sure are a lot of people who do not. Copyright law is not being broken here, so do not make it sound like someone is doing you a great injustice.

edit: at the expense of my linear algebra homework, I am gonna actually try replying to your message. Although I find it hard to stop laughing.

'Artistic Moderator' also seems to be a popular oxymoron these days, eh, Marcello?
Despite what you might think, the moderators for a site are to help me, not you. No where do we claim to be artistic moderators or professionals in the field of critiquing or judging your pictures. We are not paid enough for that.

After a wonderfully busy weekend, and a successful college art sale... I have finally found the time to make my final comment on this peice.
Sorry to take you away from your busy schedule. But aside from your effort to make yourself sound superior again, you really need to learn how to spell. A college student has no excuse for misspelling 8 words in something that short, especially with words such as "piece," "irresponsible," "field," "thoroughly," and so on. And none are typos.

I really don't know if these 'programmers-turned-art-board-mods' understand what they've gotten themselves into. I know of many, hardworking, original character designers, many moving into the feild of animation, like myself, who constantly have their character designs copied and stolen, and the administration of the site do /nothing/ about it.
First off, as we do not know of every character or drawing submitted on the internet, we really cannot do anything about pieces that no one says anything about. In this case, there is no relation at all between the characters to give you any case.

(Some administration are MUCH better than others... Tiemann of the TLKFAA is rather strict about copyright laws... and he's well-respected for that.)
Then e-mail him and send him this link, and have him CC me a reply, I want to hear his opinion.

before most character designers come up with a new concept, we DO search the internet quite thuroughly to see what current designs are out there, and what is at the height of pop culture in the current time
Care to share how one goes about doing this? How would someone find your design, for example, and know to avoid copying it? Search for "original furries with horns" on google?

And when I say look at the image, I mean put both of them side-by-side and compare. NOT look at /one/ picture for two seconds, and then ('try to') look at the other for two seconds.. of course you're going to conclude and assume without looking.
Again, you continue to insult my intelligence. And though undeserving, I spent quite a bit of time looking over both of them, side-by-side to see if I could see what you meant. Alas I found quite the opposite, as I detailed in my previous messages.

It's sad that artists can't use the internet as a tool for their work, and not be safe. And when I say artists, I don't mean the fanboys, fangirls, and wannabes that frequent these sites. I mean the artists who know what they're doing. The serious ones who plan on doing this as a career for the rest of their lives. Not some little hobby that they do once in awhile. It's sad that those serious about their practition have to be cautious about what they do, and what they post, in fear of the concept of those who can't seem to reach beyond what they see right in front of them.
Quite sad. Definitely not safe, in fact, you might even get a virus! *shocker* I want to find someone serious about their "practition." (P.s. I am mocking you here, because your b.s.ing is amusing.)

Personally, I don't think these sites should be supported anymore. No 2draw. No DeviantArt. No Elfwood. No VCL. No mass-oriented art sites at all in existance. There are too many fan-wannabes that look through them... wannabes that just don't appreciate originality for what it is.
Do not support them, then. No one is forcing you.

Private galleries are the way to go, and I can assure you that artists DO NOT need any of these silly sites to get exposure, or to share their art with other people.
You realize you sound like a snob when you say that, right?

Sure, I thought it was fun in the beginning... but now it's just out of hand. Moderators are irrisponsible... most 'members' and 'critics' even moreso... equality is null.
This is your problem, you are so caught up in the politics of it that you cannot do it for fun. 2draw is not a place to post your resume, it is to have fun drawing in one's spare time.

And those who haven't had their ideas ripped-off yet? ... Watch. It'll happen.
Wow, if something this "similar" is the worst that will happen when someone rips me off, I guess I should not be too worried about anything!

Then you'll know how /I/ feel.
I shudder at the thought.

And in conclusion, your design is not that great. I mean, come on, it is a furry.
Dainamo (Mar 9, 2004)
:3
Marcello... most people against furry art don't find originality in their peices... I've seen a few rants and such where furry artists feel 'unloved' as opposed to a person who copies 'anime' art
o.o *shrugs* But that's just me.. find one of those people supporting her? Well I'd be one :3
Watch as I end up on some.. hit list now or something x.x;;

.... and yis, Mr. Tiemann is very strict about such things... I doubt Alinnia will be stopping here anymore so I'll deliver him this postage and stuff, alrighties? :3

Sometimes I just wish some peeps would see eye to eye instead of thinking their views are always correct...
Although posting to the pic...
only thing I see wrong with it is the tongue... x.x Too red for my tastes.. other than that, it's a fine peice. If it was copy designed or not, I like it :3
drawn in 3 hours 26 min with Oekaki Shi-Painter
 
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