Well according to marcello.. java is on the way out and he cant spend a lot of time trying to make what's here work with it..most of the problems seem to be with increased security on the java console and the browsers. He says he is working on a new release that isnt java based though.. I think the people who can still make things work come here sometimes..but most just went by the wayside because they couldnt

gonna rain..better bring the clothes in

I feel for ya bud.