forumsdrawing discussionUseless Wows
  icon
SneakyWalter (edited Sep 28, 2005)
There are a bit too much (to me, anyway) of comments that say "wow" and "awesome" and the occasional "glomps". While my point is NOT the "rules about comments" (DON'T try to argue with me) the praise is meaningless now. any picture thats any good or if its anime gets all these comments all the time. now praise seems to mean practically nothing. What's your opinion?
 
Shanghai (Sep 28, 2005)
whether you like those comments or not, and personally I'd rather there be more comments with some substance to them but that doesn't mean I never want to see those short wow comments, the thing is that not every picture gets them. Some pictures get zero comments, not even a glomp. So it has to mean something to the pictures that do get them. There has to be something there that's different that caused one picture to get them and not another. Praise can be encouraging, and for some people it's discouraging to work on a picture and then only get one or two comments. I've seen a few good pictures before though that only got a couple comments just because not many people noticed it at the time.
  icon
staci (Sep 28, 2005)
I don't think a 'wow' or 'awesome' is totally meaningless. Theres just really not that much to say when someone draws amazing artwork on a daily basis. Its a simple way to show your appreciation for something that doesnt really need a full-on critique.
  icon
davincipoppalag (Sep 28, 2005)
It's all we have left for Staci's...ain't nuff words..
  icon
SneakyWalter (Sep 28, 2005)
There ARE enough words, we all have a terrible vocabulary. look at a dictionary, how many words have you never used? for most of us (including me), our vocabulary could be easily twice its size. ask Zack. He has a big vocabulary.

Even if you love the picture, you could tell the artist something to improve on, thus making future pictures better. while there is nothing wrong with a wow, amazing, or glomp in and of itself, too many seem not as special. if you save your praise for certain times and pictures, praise becomes something more. Praise can be truly something special to someone when they get less of it. For instance, just as an example, when my band director says we need to improve, That's nothing new. When he says we were good, we must've been GOOD. Too much of anything will eventually make us take it for granted. In my opinion.
  icon
Ty854 (Sep 28, 2005)
wow, this thread is awesome.
  icon
staci (Sep 28, 2005)
zack has a big enough ego already. :)

/agree ty

  icon
BunnySlippers (Sep 28, 2005)
What's your deal with anime and wow comments? People like them both. Get over it.
  icon
Axil62 (edited Oct 6, 2005)
.
  icon
xiau (Sep 28, 2005)
Lol, Axil...
I don't take comments for granted. I've had too many pictures that I've worked hard on, that get so many less comments than the ones I sketch down. I've learned that the pictures I comment first are the ones that have the least, or no comments at all. I know how discouraging it can be to get absolutely no comments.
I enjoy all comments I get. Even the "Wow" or "Glomp" ones. It's nice to know that people appreciate your artwork, no matter how they express it.
  icon
Gigandas (Sep 28, 2005)
It could be that those types of comments can be irritating and repetitive at times, but then again, I don't think you're one to be telling poeple 'how' to comment on other peoples' pictures either. At least 'wow's and 'awesome's aren't direct insults to you(at least I hope not). Seems to me it's just one of those things you just have to take. Constructive criticism can be nice too, but this isn't an art class where you're forced to make those comments. I don't see anything wrong with encouragement either. Even if it's not pro material work, encouragement (as small as even a 'wow' or two may be) pushes them to practice further to strengthen their execution skills.
  icon
HunterKiller_ (Sep 29, 2005)
I think 'wow's and 'awesome's are good. =] Better than nothing anyway.
  icon
lycene (Sep 29, 2005)
Honestly, I don't mind short little comments like that, most of the time. They may not be helpful, per sey, but as Gig said, they're not harmful, either. What is really annoying is when people write insanely long comments that have absolutely nothing to do with the picture, and have horrible grammar and spelling. (liek omg this is sooooo kewl how do yu draw so good!!!! tell me or ill hate you 4ever!!!!)
Anyway. I do really appreciate any kind of comment, even if it is critical but not judgemental, and any sort of encouragement is OK in my book.
  icon
Rosemary (Sep 29, 2005)
hey im happy with any ''happy'' comment... they make me wanna draw more lol :)
if people critic a picture too much then it kinda puts me off drawing :\
  icon
emmamommalag (Sep 29, 2005)
I like any nice comment, one word or a dozen. I'm not interested in unsolicited advice.
  icon
Zack (Sep 29, 2005)
All the "wow" kind of comments are certainly a bore when you're browsing the site, but they do encourage the artists, so they aren't exactly pointless. I get what you mean bro, but people have a natural tendency to hyperbolize. That's why words like "love" have become so confusing. People use a word that is stronger than they actually mean because they're trying to be friendly or make something seem more interesting.

Not everyone sees the point of an expansive vocabulary, but they don't have to. You can say something meaningful without using pretty words. In fact, if you aren't quite familiar with a word, you really shouldn't use it.

Emma, this is an art site made with the intention of helping artists improve. Nobody's going to keep a logbook of who wants critiques and who doesn't, so those who do any criticism usually do so on a picture-by-picture basis. Part of the learning process is learning to be able to accept other people's criticism, without necessarily agreeing with it. It's a lesson that extends beyond 2draw and into many aspects of life.

Most people don't like giving advice because most people don't like getting advice, and they don't want to be a bother if it's not important. So if someone goes out of their way to give you advice on something, that's generally a clue that you should take a closer look at what they're talking about, whether or not they're right. Like if your buddy says out of the blue, "hey man, you really should stop drinking so much." Unsolicited advice can help people.

"Whoever corrects a mocker invites insult; whoever rebukes a wicked man incurs abuse. Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you."

Whether or not you agree with that, the bottom line is that this is an art site, and friendly criticism is encouraged.
  icon
LisaAnne (Sep 30, 2005)
I'd have to agree with most everyone else, but assumptions are dangerous. Some people use vocabulary to specify what exactly they are talking about. There is a difference between compliment and comment...so I'd suggest if you're looking for a particular type of comment to specify in your description. Ask questions/for help.
  icon
emmamommalag (edited Sep 30, 2005)
Well, Zack.. I'm perfectly satisfied with the way I draw.. you can criticize it if you want but it'll go in one ear and out the other. :P Oh, and that bible verse you quoted wasn't referring to artwork.. it referred to those who don't obey God.. last I checked that wasn't anybody here. Well, Dan maybe. :D
  icon
Zack (Sep 30, 2005)
There's the good 'ol Christian compassion! What a sweetheart.
  icon
Gigandas (Sep 30, 2005)
On another note of vocabulary use, it's lame when people use their 'oh-so-superior-vocabulary' to manipulate people's outlooks on whatever the subject may be. You can always be considerate of your audience (this being 2draw, more younger people vs. older people).
  icon
emmamommalag (Sep 30, 2005)
Oh lighten up, Zack.. life is short. :)
  icon
marcello (Sep 30, 2005)
Sure you can be considerate, but that's hardly a reason to be! If they're weak-minded enough to fall for it, their loss, really. Although, it's generally their gain.
  icon
Zack (Sep 30, 2005)
"Lighten up," says the one carrying a grudge against Dan.

In no way do I ever intend to intimidate or manipulate people with vocabulary. I find uncommon words amusing and have a habit of using words based on their sound and nuance, and that's a fact. I refuse to patronize people with smaller vocabularies; to the contrary, I give them the respect of assuming they are fully capable of learning any words they don't know.

This is the internet. A definition is only a few clicks away.
 
Shanghai (Sep 30, 2005)
"Whoever corrects a mocker invites insult; whoever rebukes a wicked man incurs abuse. Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you." isn't just aimed at people that follow God or not, and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with religious matters. It can be applied to many things really, because it has to do with how you relate to other people and what you and they do and say to each other. I think it's saying that some people aren't going to take your advice even if they need it, and you're just going to end up with enemies, but other people who might be making the same mistake but have an open mind and heart to listen would be willing to take the advice. The unfortunate thing is that it's often hard to tell one person from another because nobody I've known has had one single set of behavoirs at all times. Everyone can have a bad day and end up yelling or doing something else they wouldn't normally that if you didn't know them already would cause you to think they were always like that. Some arguements you just aren't going to win because the other person just refuses to listen, assuming your arguement is right. Life is short and is often cut shorter than expected, which is exactly why people need take certain things more seriously (maybe not everything, stress isn't good for your health, but at least certain things). There won't always be more time to change or whatever else.
  icon
TaCO (Sep 30, 2005)
Green is Green and Blue is Blue.
But why state the obvious.
Even color blind people know that.
  icon
emmamommalag (Sep 30, 2005)
I think that is why people need to take things LESS seriously, redpanda. In the overall scheme of things, it doesn't matter one whit how well you draw or how well you talk. And yes, that quote IS aimed at people who follow God or not. That's what the bible is all about.
  icon
marcello (Sep 30, 2005)
Yes, and in the overall scheme of things it doesn't matter that you were ever born or lived your life. How well you draw or talk can matter, it can affect peoples' lives, and even make a difference. If you're completely apathetic, then what does your life mean? If you don't push yourself to be better, you don't gain anything, and you can't make a difference for others. The american dream seems to be an arm chair.
 
Shanghai (edited Sep 30, 2005)
how well you draw or talk isn't what I refered to, how you relate to other people is and that's what people need to give more consideration to. If people would think of someone else's needs before thinking of their own over half the problems in the world wouldn't exist. That's the importance of giving consideration to relationships and taking that as something serious. Go ahead and name every problem there's ever been and then look at who and what caused them all. People cause each other problems more than anything else out of lack of consideration. Of course the bible is about God, but it also talks about life, about relationships, politics, food and health (seriously, there's a huge section about what food people should eat and even how to cook it, though most Christians ignore it), and many other things. I said the quote wasn't necessarily about religious matters, not that it couldn't also be applied to that.
  icon
emmamommalag (Sep 30, 2005)
Ahh, okay.. I misunderstood you. I thought you were advocating being all stiff and humorless and saying that the bible was not about God. Thanks for clarifying that. :) And yes, Marcello.. what you say can make a difference in people's lives. Therefore, it behooves us to say encouraging things. And the word 'wow' can be very encouraging.. at least to me it can. :)
And Zack.. I don't have any grudge against Dan.. don't know where you got that idea. As I said before.. lighten up! Life is short. :)
  icon
marcello (Oct 1, 2005)
"This is crap" can also be pretty encouraging to try harder. To realize that you aren't the greatest thing since sliced bread and have room to improve. In fact, "wow" could be quite discouraging, because you don't see any reason to do anything more. You've already impressed them, why bother doing anything else?
Obviously I'm being a jackass, but the point is it goes both ways.
It's important to both compliment and criticize. It's not only useful to the person you're commenting on, but to yourself. You must challenge yourself. Ask, "How can I make this better?" "When is good enough, good enough?"

Furthermore, some food for thought. Being able to express why you find something good will not only support your compliment, but perhaps give you insight into how you could make your own pieces better.
  icon
Anna (Oct 1, 2005)
I'm sorry, but I thought it was completely inappropriate and uncalled for to mention Dan in that comment you made above. There was absolutely no need for that.
  icon
Axil62 (edited Oct 6, 2005)
.
  icon
featherstone (Oct 1, 2005)
yeah, that was really not nice to pull someone out of a crowd and say they're the only person who doesn't obey God.. c'mon... :(
  icon
Gigge (Oct 1, 2005)
Wow.
  icon
emmamommalag (Oct 1, 2005)
Sorry, Dan.. I thought you, of all people would get the joke.
  icon
marcello (Oct 1, 2005)
hehe. "attidude" cracked me up
  icon
emmamommalag (Oct 1, 2005)
Don't be putting words in my mouth, Lori. I didn't say Dan doesn't obey God.. I said Dan IS god. It was a joke. You folks really do need to lighten up.
 
sal (Oct 1, 2005)
your the one who seems to be stressing about what others think..
  icon
emmamommalag (Oct 1, 2005)
Nobody likes to be misunderstood, Sal.
 
sal (edited Oct 1, 2005)
guess it depends what the misunderstanding is really, you should lighten up :)
  icon
featherstone (Oct 1, 2005)
sorry, that was the way I understood the comment
  icon
emmamommalag (Oct 1, 2005)
Ah, okay Lori. Good idea, sal! Thanks. :)
  icon
Zack (Oct 1, 2005)
By the way Emma, the Bible quote was about wisdom, not necessarily those who follow God and those who don't. The heading of the passage is "Invitations of Wisdom and of Folly," and starts out with a personification of Wisdom as a woman: "Wisdom has built her house; she has hewn out its seven pillars." That passage, and all those around it, are about the importance of wisdom. Are you going to tell me that the only criterion for wisdom is whether or not one has faith in God?
  icon
marcello (Oct 1, 2005)
Well, one could argue faith is the lack of. ;-)
  icon
emmamommalag (Oct 1, 2005)
Yes, Zack.. that is what I'm going to tell you. And I am through with this forum. Bye bye.
  icon
SneakyWalter (Oct 3, 2005)
I enjoyed very much everyone's comments on the subject, and a few that got off. However, personal quarrels should be taken to the memo system. Thank you particularly Marcello, Zack, Redpanda, and emmamommalag. Your comments have given something to think about.
  icon
EyeOfSauron (Oct 3, 2005)
I don't believe in God. I shall be unwise for my whole life :(
At least I wont be wasting my Sundays tho! Played golf last Sunday :)
 
sal (Oct 3, 2005)
heh :D sunday is my recovery day :)
  icon
SneakyWalter (Oct 4, 2005)
I don't go to church on Sunday either. My church meets on Saturday nights.
  icon
marcello (Oct 4, 2005)
my church meets on tuesday afternoons. but only if it's not raining. if it's raining then it meets in the morning.
  icon
Axil62 (edited Oct 6, 2005)
.
  icon
DeadlyBlondeArcher (Oct 4, 2005)
Oh, and that bible verse you quoted wasn't referring to artwork.. it referred to those who don't obey God.. last I checked that wasn't anybody here. Well, Dan maybe. :D
- emmamommalag

I didn't say Dan doesn't obey God.. I said Dan IS god
- emmamommalag

In the overall scheme of things, it doesn't matter one whit how well you draw or how well you talk
- emmamommalag

And yes, Marcello.. what you say can make a difference in people's lives
- emmamommalag

The prosecution rests.



  icon
SneakyWalter (Oct 5, 2005)
Thanks for the clarification, DBA.

Emmamommalag, what's this?
 
post reply
You need to be logged in to post a comment. If you don't have an account, sign up now!
 
Like 2draw? Rate and install 2draw on the Chrome Web Store!