interesting idea to have her hair kind of become tree branches fairly well done skin tones as well, especially nice lips, I applaud you.
As far as 2draw slipping downhill I think that as you complain about all the 'new' people who just post little anime pictures you should look back in your library and the library of the people that HAVE been here a long time and are great artists now and see that a lot of people started out with not-so-intricate and great drawings. Some people however like Icats, Gigandas, Zep, Zack, DBA-the list goes on so please dont feel left out if I havent mentioned you, have pretty much taken the cake from the beginning. I makes no pretences to be up among these artists, infact the beginning of my library sucks too, and I am sorry that you have lost your enthusiasm for this place but I believe that these people who are posting not-so-great anime have the right to learn and grow as you say that you did so long as the do follow the rules set here for them, such as the one on how much time should be spent on a picture for certain boards.
Also, the insult at the end about ten year old brains was unnecessary. Please realize that when you write something like that everyone reads it-not just the people you want to.

I think what you mean though. It's not so much spamming but a lack of people we admired so much. There is still is quite a few awesome artist even some new ones but it's not like how it once was because 2draw has been bombarded with newcomers. Well when I first arrived the boards were flooded with Axil, DBA, Gig, Everdream, Zappo, Hakkai...etc. pictures. Now it's extremely rare when they post. There is going to be a time when we're all going to have to leave but I see no purpose telling everyone you're leaving. I never understood why people do that. It's not something that should be planned. It just happens. You begin to post less and less....then eventually never again.We have to fade respectfully and gracefully. Now I think there is a new generation of 2draw (yeah, kinda dumb to say but look around). Everyone is right, we started off the same way, if not worse. We should let these people grow the same way we did and not complain about it so much.

That is a great drawing, I love the face of the girl and how her hair comes out as branches! Fantastic! >:D
Oh and goodbye, I hope you have fun! I think the drawings and artists here are nice though, I cannot see any problem at all.
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I get a little frustrated with all the quickie new stuff, too KO, but there are still enough good pictures being posted that I continue. I would love to see some of the great ones come back (Pix, Cobra..yadda yadda) , but some of the new kids appear to have potential to really start making great drawings. Some of the kids who were drawing the quickie stuff a year ago are now doing some good work on here. I've always enjoyed finding stuff from you here, too, comments and pictures. I'm stubborn, I love this place and I will be here looking every day. This picture, for instance, is great. It would be a shame not to be able to see more KO"s posted, for me, anyway.

I understand your plight. But i think kasha said it all. Che sara, sara.

theres been a growing amount of bad art, but theres also been a growing amount of good. Actually, when I look back at the older pictures they seem like nothing compared to newer stuff. This is only because of the increase in people. you cant ignore the fact that a site like this is going to grow, and more people, whether they can draw or not, are going to join."

And this..
"Oh well, this is to long for you small brained 10 year olds to read. Thanks if you gave a damn. "
Why do you think theres a beginner board? You're a reeeal ignorant idiot if you ask me.

Well wherever you go, I hope you never will forget of those you have inspired greatly to try harder. I remember, when I was just a noob, Not very long ago might I add, you became my friend and taught me how to get better. You have always been a great deal of help for me, and also a source of knowlage. I always asked you questions and you gave great answers to all of them. I too will, at a greater extent than others, miss you and your great artistic abilities. I also know that you have been a great help to other newcomers. Like Lillypad for example. You are a great person, and if you leave, this site won't ever be the same for me again. I have seen some of the 3 minute pictures that are emerging from the face of this site, and it ticks me off too. This is no reason to leave though, for there will always be noobs and morons and 5 year olds spamming and chatting and stinking up the boards here. So all I ask of you before the decide on leaving or not, think about it first. Thats all I have to say.

everyone was 10 years old at one point. Don't make fun of someone, especially a younger kid, just because they're trying something new and wanting to get better at drawing :\

Bah. I don't draw here for the crappy artists that come and go. I draw for the people who sift through and notice. And if they don't, I still have my piece, because I also just draw for me cos it's a fun pastime, and the user-friendly-ness of this place rocks. The community is just a plus.

This is a lot different than this, but they're both me, and I never forget that I was a noob once too.

Great drawing though, I'm very impressed with the nose, and her expression as a whole. I like the necklace around her neck, and the way her hair morphs and joins with the style of the background. Great pic!

But the last thing we need is having good artists leave and more newcomers who post 10 minuets drawings. But there are still great drawings being submitted on 2draw and that's makes me come back. Although my stay here isn't very long, this site really did inspire me too. My skill isn't that great but my drawings compared to whatever months ago and now, I really can say that I developed as an aritst, and as a person as well.
It's a shame if you leave and I hope that you would come back again. Maybe you just need a break. And who knows, this is site might be even better when you see it after a month.

Hey nice pic. The blending on the skin tone is wonderful. However the nose is quite crooked and the ear is most definately in the wrong place. The eyes seem misproportionate, and "flat". I do like how the hair turns into the branch like things, looks nice. I really don't think it is an advanced picture though to be honest.

As far as leaving goes, I looked over your gallery, and frankly get over yourself. You started out pretty crappy yourself. Everyone has to start somewhere. Not to say there isn't some spamming going on but come on, is that a reason to leave in a big huff?

Posts like this are only for people who crave attention anyway. "Please tell me how wonderful I am and beg me not to leave!"
Also all thats left is not crap. I may not be wonderful and amazing, definately not up to advanced yet, but my art is NOT crap.

I won't beg you to stay. Just don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.

Now onto replies.

P3ndragon- Thank you, really. I honeslty don't want to be a moderator. I think the moderators are doing their jobs alright, but they do let things slip. The recomended time on the beginner board is a half hour. More likely will you see 5 pictures that took less the a half hour before you find one that will. The poem is great, aswell. :)

FL- Yes, you are right, everyone needs a place to start out, but as you look at the first pages of my gallery, you can already see growth. I just didn't do one style, infact I was already trying to draw realistic, and many other styles. PLUS, I hadn't posted in the intermediate board for atleast a month or so. I stook to the rules at the time. The insult wasn't to be taken serious, becuase we all know it's against the rules for anyone that young to join 2draw.

Zep- I'm not a moderator in the first place. And yes, even though moderators don't seem to have a high postition, they do. Compared to the 11,000 people that have joined 2draw, only 10 of them are sent to be a mod. That's less than .01% of the comunity. That is how they are higher up. Yes, most communities do have high and low points in it's life time. It's just, it seems it's been stuck for a long time in a low point.
Also, most new people don't take advise. I'm not sure, but they seem to be disrespectful by not listening to your advise and doing something wrong over and over again. Some new person had spammed a few images and all I did was give some nice friendly critique out and they seemed annoyed at me and were very rude and unjustly accused me of being rude and how they don't need my help, there drawings were already good enough.

Kasha- Exactly. It seems like all the good, friendly people have passed on. I can remember when talented people flurish 2draw. not anymore, though. But you see, the rules and regulations have changed over time. You have to see, 2draw is not the lower level oekaki place it used to be. If you want to draw little short pictures then head over to somehwere where they will except it.

Zach, thanks. :) It's not all me though, i'm sure.

CLV- It seems that no one sifts through anymore. I had a drawing a few months ago on the itermediate board that was good get pushed over so fast I got one comment on it. Now, i'm not complaining, i'm telling you that most people don't want to look through 5 pages of work to see a good peice.

Nekodesu- Yes, there are good drawings still coming into 2draw, but it seems like they are getting ruined by the less talented and ignorant people.

Kraisa- Really, if I wanted attention, i'd go ask it like the n00bs do on the forum boards. This is just express how I feel about 2draw. Honestly, why people are getting mad is stupid because i've seen atleast 5 others people voice there opinions on what they thing about 2draw right now. Grow up.

Voicing an opinion is one thing, saying "oh I'm gonna leave" is another. Seems to me more like a temper tantrum, whether you post it here or on a forum.

You ignore me because I make good points!
"Honestly, why people are getting mad is stupid because i've seen atleast 5 others people voice there opinions "
I find the fact that people are getting mad that newcomers aren't doing exactly as they're supposed to is stupid. not everyone in the world is just like you.
"You have to see, 2draw is not the lower level oekaki place it used to be. If you want to draw little short pictures then head over to somehwere where they will except it."
It doesn't say anything about having to be talented at drawing to draw here in the rules. And even if you believe we should know this by now because of how 2draw has evolved, newcomers dont know that.
"The recomended time on the beginner board is a half hour."
That's for intermediate. I've never seen a recommended time for beginner.

First of all, just because I didn't reply specifcly to you doesn't mean I am ignoring you. I've already went over a lot in the comment above. I've never asked someone to do something they don't want to do. What am I going to do anyways? This is over the internet, I just can't throw a fist or something through the screen. I never said people had to be talented. I've said they need to follow the rules like they are suposed to.
Yes, well, read the what you said "newcomers don't know that". A while ago the mods inflicted that you should spend atleast a half hour on a beginner drawing.

Kraisa, believe what you want. I hate it when people think they know everything and they are wrong. You're complaining that i'm seeking attention [which is far wrong] and yet you give me attention? You obviously make no sense. If you think I'm asking for attention then why bother giving me more by commenting twice? Please, make some sense of yourself.

I was kidding about the ignoring.

And mods inflicted that a while ago? Newcomers dont know that now. I already made that point. And I never knew you had to spend half an hour there, and Im not a newcomer anymore.

"You're complaining that i'm seeking attention [which is far wrong] and yet you give me attention? You obviously make no sense."

how does that not make sense.. She never said she didn't want to give you attention.

Look at the description and try again my friend.

The main practice board intended for both beginning artists and newcomers to drawing online. This is a great place to get a feel for the applets.

If you have never drawn on 2draw before, it is highly recommended you start here. However, only submit something because you put some effort into it, and remember that you don't have to submit it just because you drew it.

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only submit something because you put some effort into it

:3

well, you cant accuse people of not doing that unless they actually say they didn't put effort into it.

Yeah. A two minute picture with a idiotic scribble of some sub-par cartoon character is effort. Yeah. Right. :\

not everyone is doing that though. I mean, I hardly ever see that, and if that's what everyone is complaining about, this situation is even stupider than I thought. But Im pretty sure that's not what they think the problem is.

Hideyourface - Actually I ment the description of my picture, smart one. I'm getting tired of these comments.

I hardly ever see that

I doubt you even see the reasons that have been repeated over and over again by the mods and users alike.

knockoff, I know you added that extra part, but you made many more points than that. Going back and changing what you want people to think doesn't change what you said before.

Nightmare, no I haven't, do I need to? This thread thing is about what knockoff is saying, and not them.

rawr

hideyourface, I never said it would. Why do you think you know the justification for my actions so well? Oh, and thats rhetorical, so please don't reply.

To interrupt-

KO, if you're leaving, I'll miss you, dude. Godspeed. I have watched you grow from a pretty good artist with a definitive style to something really fantastic. If I weren't so lazy I'd have grown along with you. Either way, it's been cool as hell and that's one of my favorite things about 2draw. I'll hate to lose you. But I'm sure we haven't seen the last of Knockoff, be it on 2draw or on the news. Just don't kill anybody. Remain cool.

I'm not. I have to many friends, including you, whom I will wait forever and come back to 2draw until I see a new piece from.

So you're not leaving then? Well, good! I don't know why these people are arguing with you nor even bother to comment if they knew you were gonna be leaving (boredom, duh) and hardly even know you. Well, I guess I should say the same for myself since I don't know you that well either but I do love your art and the different techniques you've used. Anyhow, I'm glad you're still planning on stickin' around because we wouldn't want to lose some of the long-term talented 2draw members here and the people who have seen the changes in the past years in this site. Sometimes I still don't know why people would say 'goodbye' unless they're planning on going to a country that has no internet at all or decided to settle down and have kids and be REALLY busy with their real life. But enough of the when and the why, I also like your way of 'saying it like it is' even if it turns into an argument.

Oh and yeah, comments on the picture: Um................... ooooh I like how it looks realistic in one area and non-realistic on another. The background is neat because it's all cool colors and stuff and it makes a pizzazzy background. lol (sorry I'm really bad with descriptions) And the face is great! I really like how realistic the lips are. Did you use a reference? If not, well, awesome! You're doing a much better job than me since I always need a reference. If yes, well, great! That's just another plus! Keep doin' what you want to be doin'.

Great picture. I love the lips and her expression.
The background is different from the rest of the picture and that makes it cool XD

I would say nice things about this, because there are a lot of nice things that you've done. However, when you only focus on other people's negative work (with the exception of the few people you think are too cool to critique), it makes it harder to do that. This picture could be a lot better if you made the transition from the waxy girl a little more consistant. I think you quit on it, which is easy to do. Good job on the nostril and the lips, but the bridge of the nose is weird and the eyes look like the skin is peeling off of it. Of course, it was supposed to be that way @_@! With more practice, maybe you yourself can be in that small group of people that you won't harass. There are degrees of crappiness and your standards are too high. And, there are degrees of tactfulness, and your standards are too low.

Okay....I just read all of that ^ and I am halfway confused because I think some comments have been deleted/removed. So KO I just want to tell you that I only visit 2draw to look at everyone's contributions and I comment on those that amaze me or those that I feel I can help out with my comment. I ignore and skip over all of the other mess/gossip/in the end just words that have nothing to do with art. This way I "protect" myself from becoming so upset about the latest topics taking place here. That enables me to continue visiting this site.

Now on to the more important thing, KO this is an amazing drawing! When I first saw it and that you drew it, I was soooo proud at how your skills have grown. Her nose, lips, chin, and cheeks are excellent! I like the extra bit of pink/purplish color you have added there. And the teeth add nice detail to her expression (which I also love). The outline of the eyes is not just right, and her eyebrows don’t quite fit the rest of the face. I also think that more emphasis would have been put on her expression and face if you made all of her hair black (or leave only a very few highlights) and remove the partial ear. Make the viewer wonder what is this girl looking at that is causing her to have this facial expression.

I am glad you incorporated your different style in the background. This will be one of those drawings that I think about and have to go back to look at it again. Thanks Knockoff :D

Welcome back, knockoff. I like the mix of styles.