It that it is it is not what it is that it is without seem.
That it is, it is not.
What is seem, is is.

Let now all that seem just be happen may, never that it is without seem may it be.

Wth? >>;

learn

"That he's mad, 'tis true, 'tis true, 'tis pity. And pity, 'tis 'tis true." lol hehe guess where that came from??

Learn what?

cordelia, google says hamlet, very very nice. btw

moonlit: west ways of being that which we all that we are seeing
there are other things that which are not things, to be without doing

I think what he's trying to say is this: "It that" is "it is". "Not what it" is "that it is without seem."
Next line: "That it is" is not the same as "it is not."
Next line: "What is seem" is "is."
Lastly: "Let now all" just means that "seem just be happen may" and that "never that it" is "without seem may it be."

Ya get it now? lol Yup. Learn that.

[edit] yup, you're right tuna! Ding ding ding! here, have a cookie.

wow, cordelia you blew my mind, that's right
edit; except the second line, that it is, it is not because it is only what seems(which is the main point)

btw, wow

LMAO ahh man I really do have time on my hands.

the second and third should have been on the same line, but the beat feels nice

My brain hurts.

ty, yes sobriety sucks, it does not permit
it also causes the simplest memory action of threatening new thoughts to keep it's stability
there never was free will

njm,m . mnjmklhgvfas <--- result of me slamming my head against the keyboard.

Um, correction: there is free will. der.

Thats something that could be argued about all day.

if there is free will explain how all that is is do
and all that you do is what you know
and learn what knowing is


explain
OR sobriety, ignorance and stupidity

actually it is impossible to explain it with this communication at this point, since this communication is limited by the people who hold it, the people who do all that they know, that which they know that they do not question
people stay away from fear, but what if you don't embrace nondesire from desire? you overdose yourself with physical stimuli--the sensation of free will
and if you do that you are full of darkness, for one can not serve two masters, not only is this the truth but it talks about a consequence without the explaination of how things would seem, since it is not what seems it is only the consequence

Try to think of a brand new color, think of what this color looks like in your mind. And i don't mean pink-bluish or anything like that, I mean a completely new color. It is impossible.

ty, but what if thinking is learned and 'impossible' is learned? and the overdose of the dellusion of free will causes physical? then that is all that is happening, but there is something beyond that which is not a thing, to be without doing

you're reading off a script, arent ya?

I know, I was trying to prove a point to cordelia about the free will thing. I think there is so much of the brain left to be unlocked.

hehe ty! *hugs* synchronicity is in the air and it is making this exact way of being without doing very clear
as the i-ching has it, we are due for this by 2012

wait a minute.. isnt 2012 the year the world ends according to nostradamus? i don't know if that has anything to do with what you just said..

the end of the world is the end of history, as saint john said in revelations in one of his revelations he died and called god's power 'great'
the i-ching states that every so often we cross through event waves of novelty, it ends in 2012

so you are saying..? event waves of novelty?

The world ended 65 million years ago if you were a dinosaur. Dinosaurs had free will, but they died anyway! >;)
|XOD|

Due for 2012? I 'highly' doubt that unless someone goes power crazy with some mass destruction weaponry and finds a way to destroy the world or another meteor crash comes and kills us all throwing dust up into the the air and circulating it around the Earth so that we can't breathe or eat.

Well.. if it does come.. I hope it is at 830 am on a Monday morning so I don't have to go to work

lol, that's one of your better ones, davinci ;).

End of cycle. To be continued.

Hey, if nostradamus could predict the holocaust and september 11th... who knows...
although, alot of his writings could be interpreted in many different ways.

wat dos intepreteed men????????????????????????

Due for 2012? I 'highly' doubt that unless someone goes power crazy with some mass destruction weaponry and finds a way to destroy the world or another meteor crash comes and kills us all throwing dust up into the the air and circulating it around the Earth so that we can't breathe or eat.

I just want to say WTF to this. I highly doubt the earth will end in 2012 UNLESS...? You have to pick! Will the Earth end in 2012 or won't it?

I say no, but if a meteor does hit the Earth, I won't say "well I was still right because meteors don't count."

You're taking it way too literal there, DF. I didn't say those are 'what' will put an end to Earth. I was saying that those things could happen coincidentally on that year (without the help of some supernatural force somehow consuming us all or 'whatever that may happen'/generalized it for you, DF), but I doubt anyone can name the due date for Earth. And as long as no coincidences occur, Earth will be gone once it gets consumed by the sun as science has foretold, which I believe anyway (and that won't be happening for a LOOOONG time).

-Besides, if this prophecy is supposed to come true, and we just decided to go against it and destroy the Earth now, it's not like some supernatural force is gonna stop us and say, "This cannot happen, cause it's not the year 2012 yet, guys." The end can come whenever it wants, really.

freewill, determinism, nilihism, etc etc
neat stories and concepts.
heres whats really going on, ready?
it doesnt have a name and cannot be defined. "it", isnt even an it.


FOOLED YOU! :D
but what i really wanted to add on. i think 2012 is the winter solstice, end of mayan calender, and a lot of other things rolled up into the same date.
if anything, it will be change. remember the 2000 thing? yeah.... often the "end of the world, end of days etc" is understood as the end. when at times it just stands for a change. maybe in terms of how human kind acts, is etc.
like in terms of spiritual suicide and self suicide. the first being and end of ideas and separations, the other being the idea to rid one of the whole notion of ego and self. hope that helped in some way.

o___o; I don't get it.

And humans are going to be the cause of the end of humans on Earth. >__>; Or perhaps even all Life. With as much pollution, forest/trees/plant killing, littering of non-biodegradible trash, extinction of species, and who knows how much else damage that humans have caused, and will cause, I doubt the Earth will be able to survive. o.o; Humans do nothing but reek destruction with everything that they do and without even knowing it, and they are the only living creatures that do so.. o_O;

like in terms of spiritual suicide and self suicide

solve, : )

... destruction with everything that they do and without even knowing it

moonlit, yeah it is just so shitty and clear how much damage desire causes.. desire is blind.
learned things are desires.

look at what a terrible sinner i am, then:
I have clothes, I use money, I know how to speak, I know how to read, I pay attention to my own mortality, I communicate with other sinners

I do not survive, instead I allow all the learned things to take over me and therefore I am a terrible sinner. Sin or call it what one may. Sin or ignorance, blindness, stupidity, racism, happiness, sadness, desire, money, clothes, work, pollution, laughter

all the same

To rant or not to rant. That is the question. I do not believe that sin, ignorance, blindness, stupidity, racism, happiness, sadness, desire, money, clothes, work, pollution, laughter-- are all the same. For happiness and sadness are both opposite from each other. Ignorance and laughter are not the same as well.

black and white are just shades of gray.
but thats dualism, nondualism, separation, yadda yadda yadda.
i dont know though, whats separate from eveything? even the bi products and producers are all in the same spot.
so whats left out? who calls shots?

ok, I'll say that things like cars, clothes, house, money, computer, and tv are all the same.
Love, relationship, family, friends, laughter, and kindness and happiness; all the same.
Sin, ignorance, blindness, stupidity, racism, sadness, and war; all the same.
The ones mentioned on the first line have more to do with materialism. The ones mentioned on the second and third lines are pros and cons. The ones in the 2nd line are more positive side whereas on the 3rd line, they're more on the negative side. There's the difference.

as you said, theyre all ones. things, objects, etc. while i wont get into the whole subject vs object, since they too are one in the same. ill just say, yes.

They are all the same for the reason that they are all learned desires.

whats seperate from everything? even the bi products and producers are all in the same spot.

if a few like us who know the truth know, there still remains a mountain of evil that we have been born into. The reason we speak about it is because of this balance which the universe encourages, which it has encouraged from our beginning and has been contaminated by the world as it is now, where sons of evil men have sons who are born into their predisposition.

so whats left out? who calls shots?

there is a spiritual governance throughout the universe that is above man, but man's mutated perception is blind of this. If we continue to work our way out of oppression, ignorance, sin, etc, we will become. But we do so as sinners, ignorant ones, ones who are happy, ones who are sad, etc.
I feel very bad that nobody really cares, that is simply proof that nobody cares. It is also proof that nobody will want my help, they must be forced just as the evil called stupidity was forced onto them to make them into idiots unaware of the double-think they were aware of once doing.

haha remindsme of an old saying about the perpetiual decadence of man and his contributions. its strange because as someone said, we need to be stimulated by such, be it both so deemed "bad or good". i dont know how to approach this (the last post) really, bad and good. these aspects, polar oppisities etc are all the same to me, almost non-existent. while i still frown upon some.. such is life. now, this being said there is definite room for improvement. oh the eutopian ideas come flying in, but for right now, i yawn at it all. things will change. maybe.. just maybe if we can ever hit the bowels of inhumanity we can build a foundation from there leading up. i just hope it doesnt take such. yawn yawn yawn.