Pain comes in many forms ranging anywhere from mild embarrassment to excruciating physical or emotional agony. Death is an uncertainty most often associated with the distinct (even likely) possibility of eternal or at least very long term pain in one form or another depending on what you've been raised to believe about what happens after you die. People almost invariably do whatever possible to either avoid pain or at least choose a rout that they believe at the time is the path of least resistance...or pain and that includes fighting for their lives with every last breath to avoid the possibility of experiencing the big pain, the unknown possibilities of pain beyond comprehension for ever and ever and ever. It's built in. A lot of you will say "I don't believe anything happens after you die, I don't believe in anything at all." Life is often painful and difficult so if there is (in your mind) no chance of any form of pain with death why are you still here? What are you waiting for? "Oh but what about those that do take their own lives? They must not believe in the idea that death equals a good possibility of this terrible pain." Those that jump are in sufficient pain at the moment to be desperate enough to try anything for relief. People that decided to jump and lived often report deep regret and fear the moment they let go and become airborne and there is no turning back, it becomes real and unavoidable... this meeting with the distinct possibility of experiencing some unknown form of pain long term. So when you say that they just don't fear death, I say one out of a thousand, if that many, so completely believe. Your statement is saying that smart men do not fear death. If that were true, they would have all died out long ago through natural processes. Fear of death is fear of pain is the desire to live forever is the desire to procreate. Which brings us to sex. The number one drive of the human being is not to die, guess what number two is? Sex. Is that because we love how it feels so much that it is actually the second strongest drive humans have? While we do like it for obvious physical reasons I believe it goes deeper. It is a basic instinct to insure that our genes, our "us" continue to populate the planet, or... not die. You combine the "hey lets not become extinct." factor with the "wow! this feels great!" factor and you've got some pretty powerful shit Maynard. It boils down to a deep rooted desire to avoid a form of pain, death.
Thats a lot of words....
which probably adds up to something interesting...
so if someone wants to come over and read it to me I'd like to know what it says...
Otherwise....
thats a lot of words....
oh, and the drawing is teh good as the kids say it....damn illiterate kids
I believe in God. Therefore, I do not fear death. Death is only a form of pain as viewed by those who consider it to hold "the unknown" (most people fear the unknown) and it can be viewed as a form of pain when looked at in the context of those who are left behind. God knew what he was doing, so he made sex irresistible... therefore... no chance of us becoming extinct, whether we want to continue to procreate or not we are going to, because that is what he intended. I consider myself to be not an expert, but pretty schooled in the subject of pain... I endured some of what neurosurgeons say is the worst on the planet for years from a spinal injury, had surgery and survived it... but at the time I considered the jumping you mentioned, eating a bullet... whatever. Death looked really good to me then regardless of what it held - as long as it was different I really didn't care. I can relate to people who go there with their pain.
He didn't choose to leave anyway, he was booted, some of the other fuck up's that hung out with him chose to go with him, but he was eighty sixed. The point is, believing in God isn't a ticket to heaven.
He chose to be evil. In doing so he chose to be booted. I am well aware that believing in God is not a ticket to heaven. The subject of having a ticket to heaven is not why I don't fear death... I think that is where you were going with that.
So you don't fear the possibility of eternal suffering? (suffering is putting it mildly The back pain or any other pain that a human can experience or even imagine while they're still sucking wind would seem like a walk in the park in comparison.)
Of course I fear the possibility of eternal suffering (that would be hell, of course). I still don't fear death. There isn't any point in fearing it, it is inevitable for all of us.
I don't fear it either... I live the best I can knowing I'll one day understand the whole picture... for now, it is all stories.... none of it truly makes sense to me.... I have endured suffering of my own doing because we are all born with choices, I don't give the puny little devil any credit.... and I don't fear God because I only know Him as love
Death is defined in the bible as being separated from God. I would assume that means hell. Death is hell. You say you fear hell but not death? It's the same thing stinky pants.
life is hell if ya ask me...then we're free... if we didn't do it all right... we come back to hell again... hey, maybe I'm an idiot, but this thinking helps me continue on
the death wherein our spiritual self leaves our physical self is not the death being referred to there where it speaks of separation from God. The death we are talking about is from physical to spiritual. Death is a doorway, that's all. Death and hell are not the same, unless you have decided to make it so. You choose right now which direction you'll be going when you pass through that door. There's no reason to fear it, just choose to head for the right direction before you get to the door. spiritdweller... life is a little taste of heaven and a little taste of hell, and how we handle ourselves in the middle of it is pretty much what will determine how big a helping and of what we'll be served when we're done here. No coming back for a second chance, I'm afraid.
edit: Oh! and I do not have stinky pants!!! I just took a shower and they are lovely nice smelling white lace, at that, so :P.
I can only be sure about this one thing..... each and every day is another bite outta the great shit sandwich and when I take my eternal dirt nap... I hope I run into you Axil ;)
what kinda stuff were you reading before you said these things Axil? hmm... I don't believe 90 % of what I read, I come to my own everchanging conclusions.... I don't agree that the #1 drive is not to die and #2 is sex....and I also don't think that death is hell because it is "being separated from God".. I think that just means that while we're alive, God lives within us, when we die, we are separate but soon to be with Him. Sorry to say, maybe this is a bad thing, but ya know... seeing as how not many people can describe the same things happening to them, as happened to those in the Bible, and the fact that alot of wine is mentioned, I think perhaps at least some people's thoughts that exist in the Bible were under the influence of wine and their own opinions...and that my dear, is just where I am at this very moment. :)
spirit - This stuff isn't a passage from a book or any other single source. It's a compilation of things I've learned, heard, read about experienced etc etc, and come to believe.
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nice subject however
which probably adds up to something interesting...
so if someone wants to come over and read it to me I'd like to know what it says...
Otherwise....
thats a lot of words....
oh, and the drawing is teh good as the kids say it....damn illiterate kids
edit: Oh! and I do not have stinky pants!!! I just took a shower and they are lovely nice smelling white lace, at that, so :P.