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laurael (Apr 11, 2004)
...scumbag!!
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LovelyLori (Apr 12, 2004)
damn straight,Dave!
Baka-Usagi (Apr 12, 2004)
*Usagi ears flip out* =:3
Thats a really good drawing=:3
marcello (Apr 12, 2004)
What is she holding?
laurael (edited Apr 14, 2004)
There...it's now a gun...
drawn in 1 hour 34 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
Public Boards/Beginner 
zep (Apr 2, 2004)
a face trying to show a feeling
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foxman8245 (Apr 12, 2004)
this is nice... looks alomost like a chalk drawing
davincipoppalag (Apr 12, 2004)
...where did everyone come over from?
staci (Apr 12, 2004)
check your glasses! we followed axil from youdraw..well indirectly anyway..i could draw a chart of how it all spread but i would like to take credit for bringing dinoflorist and indirectly bringing the ever popular DBA. ; P http://www.youdraw.com/
marcello (Apr 12, 2004)
I came from ... some other site. which I won't mention, cause.
drawn in 48 min with PaintBBS
Pandora (Apr 11, 2004)
I was drawing a cross but was booted, came back on started drawing a cross and this image appeared in the drawing. I followed it. It's strange when I take my things to galleries they always say bring nothing that is religious but how can an artist not feel whats in their heart? He was in my heart and I really want to share today for all that believe.
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Wraith (Apr 11, 2004)
Its pretty good! Dont pay attention to rude comments. These are the kinds of images I see in my dreams sometimes, so good job on trying to interpret what comes out of your mind. :D
marcello (Apr 11, 2004)
I was responding to the comment "they always say bring nothing that is religious"
Pandora (Apr 12, 2004)
I'm sorry, Marcello I misunderstood.
foxman8245 (Apr 12, 2004)
I love this.... after seeing "The Passion of the Christ", it's good to see some drawings on here of Jesus.
drawn in 16 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
Public Boards/Intermediate 
BlackLaertes (Apr 10, 2004)
Sorry this is up, but I can't think of what to do with the bottom...any suggestions?
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BlackLaertes (Apr 10, 2004)
drawn in 27 min
Okay, NOW it's finished...kinda
Ari (Apr 11, 2004)
O.o;; Disturbing... *backs slowly away*
And yet, goku cool! ^_^
marcello (Apr 11, 2004)
"I'm seeing an seeing an abusive relationship between the girl's parents" is more disturbing than the picture, if you ask me...
graywolf (Apr 11, 2004)
Its like Joan of arc only she didnt hear screams. just moans
drawn in 2 hours 32 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
firefly-wp (Mar 30, 2004)
A suicidal squirrel doing a Gandalf routine on the highway
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Stubs (Apr 4, 2004)
Pixar is soo great!
marcello (Apr 4, 2004)
pixar didn't make ice age... =P
Deformed (Apr 4, 2004)
Yeah. I think it was Dream works or somthin'.
Nintendo_Slider (Apr 11, 2004)
Hmmm. i thouhgt it was pixar as well... hmmm and i hope to one day work for them. *Dreams On*
drawn in 1 hour 51 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
thug (Apr 6, 2004)
from The Day the Earth Stood Still
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DeadlyBlondeArcher (Apr 7, 2004)
No, no, Amazon Women from the Moon. Where they just breed men for slaves (and for more breeding, of course) lol. I always wanted one of those suits, of course I have lipstick in every color, but I still don't have one of those silver suits.
Wraith (Apr 8, 2004)
Pretty cool! The reflections of Solid metal of some sort is Wicked awsome! GJ! :D
strangeoid (Apr 11, 2004)
Klatu Barrada Nikto! ^________^
davincipoppalag (Apr 11, 2004)
Thank you strangeoid! I was trying to remember those words since I saw this picture!
drawn in 2 hours 17 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
lp_phaery (Apr 10, 2004)
Just some sketching I felt like doing. By the way she is sucking a lollypop and is not smoking (smoking is very bad for you).
6 comments – latest 4:
marcello (Apr 11, 2004)
you know, sucking lollipops is very bad for you. all sorts of bad things can come from sucking a lollipop.
DeadlyBlondeArcher (Apr 11, 2004)
It is?!? Smoking is bad for me?!? Omg! I'm so glad you told me! *Throws camels out of purse into trash*
lp_phaery (Apr 11, 2004)
you can get healthy 99% sugar free, fruit flavoured lollipops that are double wrapped as not to get any infectious germs into it and does not contain highly cancerous substances but you cant get that in a cigarette (well not that i no of anyway)
lp_phaery (Apr 11, 2004)
drawn in 3 min
coloured
drawn in 48 min with Oekaki Shi-Painter
DinoFlorist (Apr 9, 2004)
Now there is evidence to support all of our conversation on file size, Icats! Same amount of time, both one layer, same program, canvas size, evrything. Btw, since you are a cat, this dog is gonna get you.
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marcello (Apr 10, 2004)
There's no "going into" about it, I made the system, I should know how it works. =P
Let me explain a little more in detail.
Ok first off, the number one affect on file size is the size of your canvas. If you draw large images, you'll take up more space, simple as that.
On 2draw, for each image you have a number of different files. You have the full quality PNG, an optional compressed JPG version (only if it is smaller than the PNG), then 3 different thumbnails (PNG or JPG, whichever is smaller, typically JPG is). Then for each version, you will have 2 small thumbnail versions (which are probably a rather small % of the image total space), and either a JPG or PNG copy of the version (whichever is smaller). Then last of all, you have a format specific to the applet.

As I said above, a PNG version is stored with every image, PNG is lossless compression. Take BMP, one of the simplest image formats around, for each pixel 4 bytes of space are used, so a 400x400 image will use 640KB, uncompressed. Now, PNG will actually compress the information considerably by taking regions of solid color that is, the exact same RGB for a rectangular block of area, and compress it quite well. This means a completely black image at 400x400 can compress to less than 1KB. However, if from one pixel to the next, the color changes (such as with a gradient, soft, or antialiased lines), it can barely compress that at all, and in the absolute worst case (where every single pixel is different across the canvas), your PNG file will approach that 640KB size of the BMP.
JPG on the other hand, is lossy and can compress images better by taking approximations of the image.

For the most part, the PNG and JPG files do not take enough space to cause a problem.

What hits you is the applet-specific format. On PaintBBS, Shi-Painter, and OekakiBBS, an 'animation' file is recorded, which is essentially a recording of each x,y pair of each drawing stroke. This is not really comparable to a video format (which would make huge files). The number of layers, size of strokes, number of undos, etc. all have no effect on the animation file. The amount of time you spend on a picture does not affect the animation size other than by the number of strokes. If you just leave the image open, nothing is recorded. In addition, this is compressed, generally creating a rather small image (less than 100KB) even for extremely elaborate files. So, the number of strokes will in fact affect the animation size, but you need to do a lot of strokes before it becomes significant.

The main difference is on Lascaux Sketch, which uses a bitmap format rather than animation. Lascaux Sketch's LSD format (quite comparable in size and features to Photoshop's PSD) stores the equivalent of a PNG file for each layer into one file. So in this case, the number of strokes, the amount of time, size of brush, etc. does not affect the end file size by any means. However, the size of the canvas, the number of layers, and complexity of the image (read the bit above about how PNG compresses images) all affect the end result.

There are pros and cons to both methods. On average, the bitmap format Lascaux Sketch uses is much larger than an equivalent image stored in animation format. So, from a server standpoint, animation is better. However, the cons of animation format is 1) when you want to resume an image, you have to wait for the computer to "rebuild" the image from the animation so that all the layers are preserved. 2) it is much harder to make a 'stable' animation format. If the animation data gets corrupted or stored incorrectly anywhere in the image, everything after that point will either be completely lost or just turn out plain wrong. In the case of the bitmap format, it is really a matter of what-you-see-is-what-you-get. The layers you had when you saved/submitted your image will turn up exactly as you had when you load it again.

An animation format for Lascaux Sketch has been made, but is currently incomplete (does not support a lot of layer operations, selections, text, and so on), meaning the image would not load back up as you drew it.
evil_cloud (edited Apr 11, 2004)
i like this, and i ask, why thrumbnails of this kind of pics rock so much?


PS: LOL MARCELLO -100 points for so long comment ^^U
davincipoppalag (Apr 11, 2004)
Gives Marcello 200 points for the informative dissertation.. thanks..
DeadlyBlondeArcher (Apr 11, 2004)
Um, yeah, okay. I comprehended like two sentences of that stuff. You just build it, I'll just play with it. :)
drawn in 11 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
Public Boards/Beginner 
staci (Apr 10, 2004)
haw
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marcello (Apr 11, 2004)
dba: just read my comment on the other one... it has everything you need to know.
DinoFlorist (Apr 11, 2004)
Yes, on this one we were testing the PNG compression. This uses mroe different colors
marcello (Apr 11, 2004)
by different colors I don't mean what you think are different colors, such as red and blue, but digitally different colors, such as 127,127,127 and 127,127,128. You could do an image entirely in grayscale and it'd be a huge png.
DeadlyBlondeArcher (Apr 11, 2004)
yeah, or brownscale. lol
drawn in 14 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
Public Boards/Intermediate 
cmb (Mar 9, 2004)
just got back from Yoga class and had an image in my head I wanted to draw
12 comments – latest 4:
cmb (Mar 12, 2004)
Thanks all- your comments have been noted ( and appreciated)! Axil you always make me laugh!
jasmin (Mar 12, 2004)
This is very good cmb.Iam glad to see you here.this is Nellyvette who wants to say hi .Keep working ,your work is fantastic.
cmb (Apr 11, 2004)
Oh just realised - the red is her sock!
cmb (Feb 9, 2007)
drawn in 3 min
you know for all this time I never realised what people were going on about with the red colour- than I turned up the brightness on my screen and realised I had used dark red instead of dark blue in some of the shadows.. so now I have painted it out,,,,,argh! I have the light on the screen turned down because everything looks too bright...
drawn in 25 min with Lascaux Sketch Classic
 
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