If people's faces were absolutely symmetrical, there wouldn't be nearly as much variety in what they look like. The imperfections and off-angle features are what make interest. Why be perfect?

Ah definitely, but I'd like to add asymmetry once I can draw things properly in perspective symmetrically, otherwise I'll just end up passing off my mistakes as asymmetrical features of the character. That works, but I'd like to be in more control rather than letting my mistakes dictate the look of the character.

Thanks danvincipollag. I want to be able to tackle some complex angles. This one was just a straight on shot, so I just tried to draw fairly symmetrical here. I still got the eyes pretty off. :( I noticed in the thumbnail for the earlier revisions that one was quite a bit higher than the other.

I'm still quite stuck at just drawing heads. I still have a long way to go before I can draw full-figured characters at any angle I want without creating a picture I hate.

For the antialiasing, it makes a huge difference in file size. I think I would have went past my limit already by now if I had turned it on.

That's excellent. I really like the style and the polish, well done. Looking through the versions was a pleasure, I love process. :)

this is very nice, is the gal on the left the same one from your piece "123"?

Thanks all. :) JoeNobody: no, she's someone else, but you know what they say about Asians! [JK - I'm part Asian myself] On the right is my sister and on the left is her friend in this picture.

'mando drewww +_+ <3
super hawt. :d

i like the lines on this, Dakota Fanning is a very talented actress...

Perhaps, but the picture you drew to do it is wonderful.

Funny thing I noticed about feet and shoes, they can be really difficult on the perspective side (for me, anyway). I think it's pretty smart of you to be using that as a practice subject. A baby shoe! :)

I'm having a hard time doing it. Could you give it a try, sephiroth? I added you to the collab list. I'm going to try some more, maybe using a reference this time.

Oh ok, well that's fine then. :)

"I like how the right side looks like she has a man back with a big dent in it! Like her man back side was in a big bar fight one night because this one guy took all the pretzels and one thing lead to another and ole' half man back thought she should get up and do something about it but then the other guy had a friend who usually doesn't come to that bar, no he usually goes to the 4 U lounge, but he went there this time and when ole' half man back stood up he knew he had to have his buddy's back... his buddy was a man so his whole back was a man back, not like this lady's back, but anyway, so he saw ole' half man back get up to do something about something an he slammed her upper right shoulder area with an extra 4 inch lead pipe he happened to be carrying around, not his good one that he had in his coat pocket for something else, but his extra one. So that's what I like about this picture when I look at it."

I'd just like to ask Zack one last question here. Is this what you call, 'formal criticism'? Of course, you could be referring to criticism given to terracotta by people besides Axil. But I'm pretty sure terracotta's posts were in response to Axil. Although, I haven't had 50 yrs of experience myself, I've never heard of giving criticism in 'tell-a-funny-story' form in any of my classes. And I can assure you, if that were the case, I wouldn't waste my money or time on such an unprofessional school.

No. What I was agreeing with Axil about was the issue of sexual abuse re: his cartoon. His critique was informal and absurd. I do not consider the issue of the picture being finished relevant to an analysis of the motivation behind any critique, formal or informal, since critiques on finished pictures are just as legitimate as critiques on works-in-progress.

The absurdity of Axil's comment speaks for itself, and to imply that he was being meanspirited for pointing out flaws in a finished picture demonstrates to me a lack of understanding of the nature of artistic critique in a learning environment. That is to say, Axil may have been meanspirited in his comment (I can't tell), but that has nothing to do with the fact that he was criticizing a finished picture.

I didn't understand whatever Noremac was talking about, but I'll keep it in mind regardless, lol. To answer DBA, she's probably got some wine kiped from a local inns stores. As for her instrument, the way I understood it was that you could sing or recite poetry to use songs, not just instruments. I'm having her be a whistler. :D

i made a gnome bard who took breakdancing as his secondary preform skill :D and beatboxing as his actual bard conduit. :3 ah the possabilities

I love character concepts like this. I want to make some. I love it.

my favorite episode or skit or time that he did this skit was when christina applegate and david spade were the 'kids' and homg they were trying so hard not to pee themselves while he was spitting out "...IN A VAN, DOWN BY THE RIVER!!..". good times man, good times.

i feel like i inspired something :D

Most certainly

I agree Comd. That style has nothing but potential.

Hell, it just wreaks potential.

This guy looks like he could become the abominable snowman.

Very nice picture! I love how you paint, refining the details more and more with each revision.

She looks like a female body builder :p great picture, cindy.

Lovely, just lovely. She's definitely a "10".