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TaCO (edited Jul 27, 2007)
My Comic

I did 50 pages in 50 days!!!!!!
I draw a comic Every Day :)
This is just a practice comic; once I get to 200 pages I'll start a story comic.

So what do you think?
Does It suck?
Is It cool?
What's your favorite one?
Which one do you Hate?

Do you have a comic?
Kloxboy (edited Jul 25, 2007)
Very ambitious, you sure drew a lot of pages. I would spend a bit more time on the drawings and the story line(s). Imagine you built 1,000 boats in a day, that would be an amazing accomplishment. But if you don't take the time to waterproof and craft the boats properly, you haven't really accomplished anything. My point being, when it comes to comics, it's better to strive for quality over quantity
TaCO (Jul 25, 2007)
I started this comic to get myself use to drawing comics.

I just started reading some Scott McCloud books.
If you draw comics you must read he's books!!!!

You can preach quality over quantity all you want, but itís just not me.
I'm a Quantity over quality kind of artist.
You say itís a bad thing to be this way, but I say itís not.
The results of my work will come in time.

And why would you assume Iíd use those boats to sail with?????
There are hundreds of things you could do with 1000 boats that can't float.

Think different.
Kloxboy (Jul 25, 2007)
Keep in mind, I wasn't expressing a left field opinion, it was just a healthy dose of common sense. You're welcome to disregard or spin my advice all you wish but at least think on it for say, 5 minutes or so, please? I could read 50 or so comics of below average quality, featuring crudely drawn characters, with really basic story lines and a lot of fluff, but I'd rather read one (1) well drawn comic with a well thought out story by someone who cares about the product their showing me. You think I'm preaching? Hardly, and I'm sorry that you don't recognize that I'm trying to help you. You think I should "think different"? I suggest you think -more- on what I've said. If you intend to learn or gain anything from posting a thread such as this, I suggest you leave your ego at the door, read over what people have to say and instead of reacting defensively, try to learn from criticism (especially from someone who has more experience than you in said area).
TaCO (edited Jul 25, 2007)
I have no ego. I just like to be contrary, it makes for interesting conversation: p

Never take me seriously.

I wasn't trying to be mean I just want to see how you'd respond.

And you should know by now that I hold your opinions in high regard, especially those that pertain to art.

I seen someone draw a comic everyday for a year before, and when he was done he was much better.
That's where I got the idea from.

I started this comic just to get my feet wet.
Sweetcell (Jul 25, 2007)
So in other words it's practice. S'all you gotta say Derrick, and practice is always good, tedious, but good. I love drawing comics myself (have many character's I've written over the years) but I never published them. Good on ya giving it a go.
Dr.Moony (edited Jul 27, 2007)
You need to be a freak with the things you do.
I go with the 1000 boats a day because it's crazy. It redefines the purpose....and that's what it's all about. -- This is how new things start.

Anyways you won't be able to fit into the predefined ideals of define something new, because you have the focus on other things.
The more you give a fuck about existing ideals - the more you risk to be called idiot, which can get you down if you don't have a strong personality or good friends which support you.
In that case you have to practice a lot to make it worthy.(be a freak)
Everyone of us redefines at least a little bit of known purposes because everyone has the focus on at least slightly different things. "Everyone is unique"

Anyways we need these existing ideals. Without this basis nothing starts.
...TaCO would not have started doing his 50 comics without the existence of comic strips
...that guy would not have created 1000 boats a day
...there wouldn't be Picasso's paintings
...and so on
Noremac (Jul 27, 2007)
i need to be lazy less.

what inspires you to draw?
TaCO (edited Jul 27, 2007)
Cam: If you wait around for inspiration, you'll never draw anything.

I love to draw. I don't draw to make art; I draw because I simply love the act of drawing.
I don't care what I draw or what quality it is as long as I had fun drawing it Iím happy.
Art is like a game you can never beat. I want to get better, but having fun is my main concern.
Kloxboy (Jul 27, 2007)
Dr.Moony, TaCO: Look at it this way, imagine you're standing in a deep hole in the ground, it's where you've been all your life (disregard the lack of food, water, birth place, parents, etc., this is just an analogy). In your hole, you see soil, roots and other organic material around you. For whatever reason, it's never occurred to you to look up, you just like looking at the soil in front of you, it's all you've ever known. If you did look up, you would have a view of the sky and a whole new world above you. Now, say an apple falls from a tree from outside and roles into your hole, the apple drops in and bonks you on the head. Suddenly, you're alarmed and are naturally compelled to look up. All the sudden, you have something new to look at, a new perspective of your world. Looking up, you see a blue sky through the hole opening, you see new colors, new shapes and most importantly, you see an exit from the hole. Now comes the moment of truth, do you want to see what's outside of the hole? Well (as far as this story goes), the only way to see the outside world is to climb out your hole, ie you must do something you've not done before, you must change by means of movement. Art is very similar in this regard, unless you move, you will not learn or change much, you'll go nowhere. Move is change, knowing and understanding that change is knowledge, then apply that knowledge, next thing you know, you're improving. Does that help illustrate my point to you? In other words, to improve your drawing/painting skills, you have to think and practice smarter, not just harder and more frequently, otherwise you'll be drawing at the same skill level all your life, you won't improve. This applies to most arts and just about anything in life you wish to improve.

Regarding the boats..... let's say a speedboat zooms by your sunken pile of wood (the wood being the 1,000 defective boats). As he races by, he glances at you, observing your wood pile, he is instantly flooded with memories. He remembers the day he was standing by his own defective pile of boats and how he got sick of not being able to cross water. He remembers the day he made a new boat, he called it a sailboat. He made the sailboat water proof and constructed it to move fast via the wind. Then he remembered the day he built a speedboat, he did this because he wanted a faster, better designed boat. So, much like the guy in the speedboat, If you want to improve drawing/painting, you have to change and that's the bottom line.
Dr.Moony (edited Jul 28, 2007)
Of course TaCO will never know how the parameters work which you encounter when you put a certain amount of time into ONE COMIC or when you polish certain aspects - if he will continue this way.
You are only able to control factors which you practiced(knowledge). TaCO is currently practicing the creation of rough and quickly done comics which illustrate an basic idea/fragment of an idea to formulate it simplistic. I am acting on the assumption that Derrick knows that and that he is enthusiastic for what he does. In that case he will automatically encounter changes. Otherwise he wouldn't be human.
-deleted one sentence because it didn't make sense-
My only critic is that TaCO should draw a lot more comics a day to prove his enthusiasm and to improve his knowledge more rapidly !on that field!
Unless you don't want to be special, Derrick :P

I for myself like quickly done comics because they can be integrated into daily life. You communicate and want to illustrate a point so you do a quick drawing. This makes life much more fun, especially if you interact with children.
TaCO (edited Jul 28, 2007)
Here is a small list of some of the the things I'm practicing.

1. Draw 200 comics in 200 days :
--A. panels
----a. Moment to moment
----b. action to action
----c. subject to subject
----d. scene to scene
----c. aspect to aspect
----e. Non sequintur
--B. words:
----a. conversation
----b. inner dialog
----c. sound effects

2. Start new comic that is a collection of short stories (3 to 10 pages.)
--A. Story:
----1) Characters:
------a. make memorable characters.
------b. make a group of diverse characters.
----2) World:
------a. make a memorable world.
----3) Plot /storyline

shalalaheartattack (Jul 28, 2007)
Klox, your first story/analogy reminds me of Plato, especially in "The Republic" and the allegory of the Cave. :)
Kloxboy (Jul 28, 2007)
shalalaheartattack: Wild, there are some similarities in those analogies, that's cool. Of course, I'm hardly Plato, I'm very stubborn and analogies are one of the few ways to crack my ignorance. So, I figure, if they work for me, they would surely work for someone a bit more level headed.

Dr.Moony and Derrick: First off, yes, put simply, it's change that is the problem for Derrick, he needs to change if he intends to grow or improve. Dr.Moony, you're going in different directions and trying to spin my message into something it wasn't meant to be applied to, there is no need to over analyze and get off topic, it's not helping me. There is a lot Derrick could do to improve his comics, I've made some suggestions, as per his general request. His reaction to my advice tells me he either never really wanted an outside opinion or he doesn't particularly care for my perspective. Either way, considering what he's said so far, his approach to this process is from a limited perspective. Considering his thoughts on the subject thus far and his reactions to my advice in the past, I don't think he realizes how much more he could do, he's yet to really tap into his true potential. I've tried being blunt and literal to communicate what he could do to improve his work (yes, improve, not in some stylized way I made up but in terms of -common sense- and basic problem solving) but he seems to think a bit more abstract and reacts defensively to nearly everything I've said (as have you, to some degree). Next, I tried using analogies. Of course, if you deconstruct analogies the way he did to my first one "There are hundreds of things you could do with 1000 boats that can't float.", the message/meaning of the analogy is lost or at least, misunderstood. I've said what I think needed to be said, you can take (and apply) what I've said or leave it. I would at least give it a shot, I can almost guarantee you would improve.

You've gone out of your way to display your work and asked for opinions, surely if it was all just for fun, at least in the context you've explained to us, you wouldn't have even made this thread....but you did. I hope at some level I helped or assisted you in your "comic making quest", either way, good luck to you. :)
Dr.Moony (edited Jul 29, 2007)
I can't look into TaCO's brain so just stop speaking for him. I think I appraised him wrongly. My mistake was that I thought I know him better than you do. So your advice will be more helpful.

Anyways was interesting to read and think about your opinions Kloxboy...especially those allegories.
TaCO (Jul 29, 2007)
Klox kinda hit the nail on the head of what i need to do.
But I've been trying to change my lazy ass ways for years.
It's hard to change.

I like to react defensively it gets more out of people.
most of what I say is to get you to say more.
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