If you have not yet upgraded, you may want to! The new version of Java is faster and now fully compatible with the upcoming Windows Vista.

Get Java 6 here: www.java.com

Also, if you are using JTablet, you will need reinstall it after updating your Java (as you always will need to). If you are not using JTablet (and have a graphics tablet and Windows), you might want to check it out!

Get JTablet here: sketchstudio.cellosoft.com

Enjoy!

2draw.net team

Is it worth buying Vista? I don't feel ready yet.

lol

it seems Java 6 is not compatible with Win 2k.

Don't buy Vista.

Why not?

SUSE> Vista

seriously, the majority of the people who are getting vista just want it for the GUI.

yep. but that's enough reason if you like windows.

If it all works now..what's the point of updating.. usually screws things up when I've tried updates...is it just to be "with the latest edition"..I don't really understand why it's necessary..(and I'm not trying to be a wise-ass.. I just don't understand the need)

I agree completely with that attitude. In my case, I have been using vista since June, and have a difficult time going back to XP. Vista is a lot faster (starts up in a fraction of the time), runs smoother, and has lots of little interface improvements that just make it all around nicer to work with.

Depending on what kind of upgrade deal you can get, it'll be worth it or not.

You could also download a windows skinning app. or just install a visual style to get that GUI vista has.

it has nothing to do with the visual style (although that looks good, too, and much better than any xp visual style imitation). it has to do with using the 3d card to accelerate everything ala os x or xgl. in short, xp is crummy when it comes to transparency, vista does it no sweat (and does diffused transparency).

in short, it's much more aesthetically pleasing than xp. installing hacked visual themes is also pretty annoying/something I don't want to waste my time doing.

eh, I find win 2k does a better job handling transparency than xp myself.

Don't buy Vista.

Why not?

Because Microsoft made it.

installing hacked visual themes is also pretty annoying/something I don't want to waste my time doing.

Dude hasn't heard of UXtheme.dll.

The only real problems I have with Vista is that it's such a resource hog. You need a PC with the power of a decent gaming rig to run Vista, and it will bring that gaming rig down to an ordinary computer.
Secondly, I can't begin to imagine the headache and suffering trying to find Vista compatible drivers and other software. I have a hard enough time trying to track them down for XP64 bit.

friend: I'm just comparing vista to xp, not vista to anything else. It is not worth it for me to switch from windows.

As far as powerful computer, I don't know, my computer is two years old and wasn't that expensive, hardly a gaming rig. But I haven't used a underpowered computer for comparison. Again, on the same computer it runs faster and smoother than XP, so not sure if your logic necessarily applies.

Actually, I've had things work (driver-wise) that never worked on XP. It finds drivers where there are none, somehow. So yea, no driver issues.

The reason you have trouble finding 64bit drivers is because they're 64bit. If the don't make a 64bit version of the drivers it doesn't matter what os you have.

I see what you mean. Hopefully it ain't too buggy eh?

I see what you mean. Hopefully it ain't too buggy eh?

I would wait a year at least for the bugs to be ironed out. By then the prices should have also dropped.

Fewer bugs/crashes on vista beta than xp pro sp2.

I've just installed Java 6 and Shi-Painter won't load. It just comes up with the 'install missing plug-in' window.

IE or Firefox? Tried uninstalling other versions of java?

EDIT: I read the instructions. The Java 6 plug-in isn't available yet for XP 64, which is what I'm using.

Firefox. I didn't have Java installed before installing version 6, 'cuz I've just reinstalled Windows.
Guess I'll just have to go back to 5.

Doesn't work in IE either. =\

they have a x64 version, try here:
http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp (scroll down and click java runtime edition)

I just got a new computer with windows vista already installed. I do like how it looks a lot better. Yay for customizing the colors and such, everything on my comp is pink and black haha. It's kickass. Anyways, I like vista but I really do hate internet explorer, which my computer came with. It's a lot slower on here now than it was when I used netscape. It takes forever to load certain pages on the net. Oh well, I still love it. It is by far better than windows ME (which is compatible with almost nothing).

upgrade that sucker to a real browser: www.getfirefox.com

Thats what I'm planning to do ^.^

they have a x64 version, try here:
http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp (scroll down and click java runtime edition)

I did get that one, but in the instructions it says that the X64 plug-in is not yet available, only the run time environment.

I'm having problems running Jtablet with 32-bit Windows Vista. I've been finding little things have changed causing lots of programs not to work anymore. ( looks like the programs try to reference a folder or spot that's been slightly removed from the regular branch).

Anyways >.<;; Jtablet won't work with my windows vista/java 6. I get two errors on the test between ie and firefox. Ie says Jtablet error: Tablet not available. Firefox Jtablet link error. And when I click on the executable java file I get : " Failed to load main-class manifest attribute from C/:program files/cellosoft/jtablet/jtablet.jar"

I've been looking around but haven't seen too much documentation on this. Jtablet seems to install successfully. I've also tried to do it as run as administrator with the installation.

Anyways if anyone has any tips I'd be very grateful. I've been searching for a little while now since I got vista. I almost want to go back to xp ;/

Hrm, it does work with Vista (I'm using it). The tricky part is getting Vista drivers for your tablet (I'm using alpha drivers from Wacom).

The error you get from jtablet.jar is normal, it is not an executable.

Wow o.o You are awsome! I didn't think I'd get a response for a long time. I'm using a wacom intuous2. It said it was Vista drivers? I notice that your other drawing program Lascaux works with the whole pressure senstivity and everything. Any hints on the wacom intuous2 driver for Vista - 32? I would be eternally grateful. I've really loved Jtablet <3 It changed the way I do art!

Wait, it works in Lascaux but not in what?

Doesn't work in any other java applete like shi-painter or the test for jtablet on cellosoft site. Also won't work on paintchat which uses the shi-painter code. So should I try to use an older tablet driver or something? I'd really love to use Jtablet like I used to be able to.

There is no reason it should work on lascaux and not the other things. Are you sure it's actually working on Lascaux?

I assume you're referring to the pressure sensitivity and not just moving the mouse...

Yah oddly it works on lascaux, both size and pressure sensitivity.
Yah the cursor moves, but no pressure sensitivity. Let me take some shots for ya.

Edit:
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/751/cellotestep0.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4702/test2hb6.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9977/lascauxtestso3.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7569/shiproyn4.jpg

Update: I tried different version of wacom drivers, along with various ways of installation ( ie compatiability with xp sp2, reinstalling jtablet at same & different installations,etc). I'm really baffled. Also wacom tablet works fine with programs like OC and photoshop, just not jtablet or/ certain java applets?

Can you help me? I download Java, refresh, restart my computer, and yet I still can't draw on any programs provided here. I've looked around, tried different things, but nothing seems to work. It's been distressing me for a few days now, too. Please help me? Because it's frustrating for me not to be able to use these programs that I had been looking so foreword too. ;____;
I've downloaded Java Environmental 5, Update 11. I'm not a computer person, really, so some tech help would be greatly appreciated.

Notebook are you using a tablet or just your mouse? Does the program come up or does it say you don't have java?
Also what os are you using ( windows xp? linux? macs?)

Ohhh, wait, nevermind. Fixed it. *laughs*
Mmm? Tablet-but that wasn't the problem. I hadn't edited firefox to enable Java. Do'h! *smacks forehead* Thanks for the help, though. ^__^ *hugs*

Woot:) I'm glad for ya!

Edit: Since I had problems thought I'd put the solution that worked finally. After reinstalling drivers of all different versions and such. I finally went back to the newest Vista drivers for my wacom intuos2 from the wacom site. I installed the old version .9.4 of jtablet and it finally worked. I almost fell out of chair! Thank God!

so is there any resolution to the vista/jtablet problem yet? aside from sonaa's luck? i've tried both .9.4 and .9.5 and can't get it to work. but i recall it working shortly when i first upgraded to vista... i'm running the java 6, vista drivers for an intuos2, and jtablet .9.5 right now. if there's any help with this i'd really appriciate it.. ;__;

I'm not sure what the problem is. it works fine for me on vista with the vista drivers for intuos2. The 0.9.5 vs 0.9.4 I imagine is a fluke. If sonaa installs 0.9.5 it should still work. It's possible java 6 is having issues, but that's hard to say. What error does the test applet give you, zombie?

i don't get any errors with shipanter, it just won't open the sensitivity tabs. when i tried with lascaux, i got a huge error msg and screen capped it. i think too think its some kind of communication error between the tablet software and java. i just ungraded to java6.0 today though and it both was and then wasn't working before that. and now it certainly isn't working still. i wish i could provide a little more info :(. i do know that when i upgraded to vista, i installed my tablet, it worked for about 3 days, and then stopped registering, i reinstalled the tablet driver and it never glitched up again. i also don't think i ever tested jtablet after that point. (until now)

i did try uninstalling jtablet AND my tablet drivers, restarting, installing tablet drivers, restarting, installing jtablet, restarting. and that didn't work either.. =___=;;
i appreciate any help you can provide marcello. here's the errors i got with lascaux: http://www.techneko.com/art/java.jpg

can you look at the details on the jtablet installation and see where it's installing stuff? and check that it's actually finding your Java installation correctly?
also, did you try the test applet sketchstudio site?

jtablet is installing into C:\Program Files\Cellosoft\JTablet. when i got to the cellosoft test area i get a "plugin v.: couldn't load" and "jtablet link error" i don't know how to check if its finding the java installation correctly, if you can tell me how i'll be sure to check.

EDIT ok, i checked the install details for jtablet, heres the info it gives me:
Output folder: C:\Windows\system32
Output folder: C:\Windows\java\trustlib\cello\tablet

and then a bunch of stuff like this (from java 1.4 to 1.6):
Found Java 2 Runtime Environment v1.6.0
Output folder: C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0\lib\ext
Extract: jtablet.jar

do you have jtablet.dll in system32?

If so, try deleting it and reinstalling jtablet...

(also, do you have wintab32.dll?)

i do have wintab34.dll
deleted jtablet.dll and then reinstalled and still no luck... :( gonna try removing jtablet completely and the dll file and then reinstall.
edit: didn't work.

same jtablet link error?

yup.

you were kidding about wintab34.dll right?

hahah yeah oops. wintab32... -__-
wintab32.dll vr 6.0.2.1

ok, so I'm not sure what the exact problem is, but it sounds like you have a bunch of versions of java installed? if you run lascaux, what version does it say is being used in the info box? did you upgrade to vista from xp or is it a clean install?

I recommend going through and uninstalling all the other versions of java, and perhaps even reinstalling java 6 after that so it's the only version you have. then try reinstalling jtablet.

also on the jtablet installer, if you right click on the info, it should let you copy it so you can paste the actual lines.

yeah it does seem like i have a few different versions of java. can you point me in the direction to uninstalling them? should go through the control panel, and "add remove prog" etc? i ungraded to vista... so far this has been the biggest issue (knock on wood).
Lascaux says its running java 1.6.0 it says jtablet is uninitialized after i get all the other java copies uninstalled i'll post the install info for jtablet. thanks again for you help though. i know its hard troubleshooting without having access to the machine, and that there doesn't seem to be a direct cause of the problem.

EDIT uninstalled all my java clients, and jtablet, restarted, installed java 6 then jtablet, and STILL no luck.. ;______;
here's the jtablet install data:
Create folder: C:\Program Files\Cellosoft\JTablet
Output folder: C:\Program Files\Cellosoft\JTablet
Extract: jtablet.jar
Extract: jtablet.dll
Created uninstaller: C:\Program Files\Cellosoft\JTablet\Uninstall.exe
Output folder: C:\Windows\system32
Extract: C:\Windows\system32\jtablet.dll
Output folder: C:\Windows\java\trustlib\cello\tablet
Extract: JTablet.class
Extract: JTabletCursor.class
Extract: JTabletException.class
Found Java 2 Runtime Environment v1.6
Output folder: C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0\lib\ext
Extract: jtablet.jar
Found Java 2 Runtime Environment v1.6.0
Output folder: C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0\lib\ext
Extract: jtablet.jar
Create folder: C:\Users\Spider-Man\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Cellosoft\JTablet
Create shortcut: C:\Users\Spider-Man\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Cellosoft\JTablet\Uninstall JTablet Plugin.lnk
Create shortcut: C:\Users\Spider-Man\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Cellosoft\JTablet\Cellosoft Website.lnk
Create shortcut: C:\Users\Spider-Man\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Cellosoft\JTablet\2draw Website.lnk
Create shortcut: C:\Users\Spider-Man\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Cellosoft\JTablet\Cellosoft Sketchstudio Website.lnk
Completed

Not sure. I'll be getting vista for my laptop and maybe will try doing an upgrade to see if I can reproduce the problem.

thanks again for the help at least. :)

Hi, i'm having intermittent trouble with loading up pictures from my studio since i have upgraded. i'm using xp, when i load up pics it comes with an error box saying theres an error loading the image, would you like to try again?. It seems to work sometimes then stop a bit later on. i have tried uninstallng java and reinstalling with no luck.

Mich

try clearing your java cache, sometimes it seems to save corrupt image files in the java cache. I'm not sure what causes it

so i thought i'd toss this up here as one last ditch effort. heres the java log for when i try to run the jtablet test palette.
java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\jtablet.dll: Can't find dependent libraries
at java.lang.ClassLoader$NativeLibrary.load(Native Method)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary0(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Runtime.loadLibrary0(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.System.loadLibrary(Unknown Source)
at cello.tablet.JTabletLoadNative$1.run(Unknown Source)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at cello.tablet.JTabletLoadNative.loadNative(Unknown Source)
at cello.tablet.JTablet.<clinit>(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method)
at java.lang.Class.forName(Unknown Source)
at cello.tablettest.JTabletSurface.initialize_tablet(Unknown Source)
at cello.tablettest.JTabletSurface.<init>(Unknown Source)
at cello.tablettest.JTablettest.initialize(Unknown Source)
at cello.tablettest.JTablettest.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\jtablet.dll <- does that file exist?

Thanks, that seems to have sorted it for now :)

NO IT DOES NOT! that is pure crazyness. now how do i make it exist?

zombie: it shouldn't exist, but I suppose you could try copying it from c:\windows\system32\jtablet.dll and see if that makes a difference

You are a sweet, sweet man. it works great now! could i mail you some cookies or something for your help?

Does Jtablet work with Tablet PCs? I have an X60 which uses a Wacom designed active digitzer for it's screen and pen. I cannot, however to get Jtablet to work for the life of me. I've tried reinstalling java and jtablet then restarting and reinstalling 3 times, and i've put the jtablet.dll file in my firefox directory. but I still get the Jtablet Test v0.3 (plugin v.: couldn't load) Jtablet link error when trying to run the jtablet test.

What do I need to do to fix this? :( I'd really like to give oekaki shii a shot with my tablet, but it isn't looking too promising. Thanks in advance

Edit: here is the log from my java console
java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\jtablet.dll: Can't find dependent libraries
at java.lang.ClassLoader$NativeLibrary.load(Native Method)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary0(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Runtime.loadLibrary0(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.System.loadLibrary(Unknown Source)
at cello.tablet.JTabletLoadNative$1.run(Unknown Source)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at cello.tablet.JTabletLoadNative.loadNative(Unknown Source)
at cello.tablet.JTablet.<clinit>(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method)
at java.lang.Class.forName(Unknown Source)
at cello.tablettest.JTabletSurface.initialize_tablet(Unknown Source)
at cello.tablettest.JTabletSurface.<init>(Unknown Source)
at cello.tablettest.JTablettest.initialize(Unknown Source)
at cello.tablettest.JTablettest.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

spork: yes it does. You need to install the wacom pentablet driver to get wintab32.dll.

wow, thanks for the quick response. Will the pen tablet driver have any unintended consequences that you know of?

not really. it adds a control panel option for tweaking the tablet pen a bit. you can always uninstall it, too

Ugh, JTablet won't work for me. It was fine when I tested it. But when I try it with shi-painter or anything else, it doesn't work. Anyone might know the problem? I'd love you forever if you could figure out what's going on ;__;

are you sure jtablet isn't working or you just don't know how to use the drawing programs? they ignore pressure by default.
if the tester works, shi/lascaux should work.

I love when you guys talk dirty

...

I've used the drawing programs before, just not jtablet. Is there a window that pops up when you use it or something?

EDIT: Oh wait, my bad. It works here, just not anywhere else that has an oekaki. o_o

This really bites my friends.....D:>
In one second I was drawing in here in 2draw and next thing you know it erases the whole picture out of no were, and leaves a message on my computer like this:

"An unexpected error has been detected by HotSpot Virtual Machine:"
This made my Java program to errase now I need to instal it all over again but its taking way long to download, hopefully its all done by the morning then........D:
If not, I don't know what to do then, wonder why Java got errase.......8*
Any clue my friends?????????
...........Logging of Lore.V............

it means your java crashed. upgrading could fix it, but no guarantees. has it happened more than once? does it only happen with one drawing program or another? with or without jtablet?

Its fixed....>:D
I have updated my Java now, I don't know why my java crushed marcello its a great mistery for me, probably it crushed becuase it used to be the Java5 version instead of the new version 6, this problem its my first time ever happened to me..."thank G", and other thing I do not know how to use jtablet, I do have it but for some reason I do not know how to use it in the programs, the test came out good, but once I tried on Shi painter or Lascaux I don't seem to be able to use it......D:>
Any help with that my friend.....>:D
...............Logging of Lore.V...........

on lascaux there are buttons in hte bottom right for enabling tablet to control brush size and flow (manual).
in shi-painter there is a P in the upper right that you click to enable it.

Oooh now I got it....:D
Thanks man, now I have no problems with any applat.....>:D
..........Logging of Lore.V.........

okay, i have an intous3 and windows vista i have tried just about everything to get jtablet to work and i still get the same three error messages... plugin v could not load, tablet not available, and jtablet link error. And also when ever i try to use shi-painter and i click on the P in the corner a message comes up saying that my tablet driver has been corrupted and i need to install it again. While if i use my tablet in oC it works perfectly fine...I don't know what to do...any help out there would be much appreciated. ~Thanks

The discussion at the bottom of this thread -> link might be relevant. Apparently java 6.4 has a bug in it? Something like that.

well i didn't have java 6.4 installed i just have 6.01 installed...so i still don't know what is up...

do you have the latest vista driver from wacom installed?
if yes, have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling jtablet?

My computer is not new and up enough to use Vista and Windows 7,I cannot use them until I get a new computer,which I am avoiding cause I do not want Vista; everyone tells me it has enough bugs in it to start a ladybug farm. Oh,yeah,my jtablet does not work here;and the new thing with it,which was supposed to update,does not make it work.So,the cute little chat thing does not work for me. However,I'm beginning to learn that the word "experimental "is synonimous with the word"avoid". When I see it in the future,I'll just click automatically to "avoid,ignore" and that will fix everything.