I see a smiley, Lascaux must have listened to my scolding and treated you better!

i hate lascaux... but it seems to love you, zep.

Very nice - I love that hand!

This kinda thing is why my favorite artist answer on DA is still Javier Lopez

I think you've mastered the applet, well done brother. :)

Maybe I'm just culturally inept but all your drawings look the same to me. :/

thanks a lot everybody :)
Clox:i think the only feature i miss is the capability to flip the image....or is it possible in lascaux?
Nyuusen: are you talking about the image itself or the possible meaning of them?...i must say your comment make think quite a while :)

Nyuusen: I'm curious, you said Zep's drawings "look the same", as it stands, that comment is pretty vague and could be interpreted a couple different ways. In what ways do you think his work is the same, could you explain that further. I'm also curious as to how being culturally inept would lead you to think all his drawings look the same, would you please explain that as well? Thanks.

Zep: I dunno if you can flip stuff, nice work either way.

thanks man :)
and copy/paste? hehehe

oh btw, kristine, i don´t hate lascaux is just that i don´t know how to use it, i can´t even imagine what anybody can do with the mask modes for example...

Hope you don't mind if I butt in here. It is called his STYLE. zep has a very distinctive and original stlye. The best artists work should be recognizable because they have found their "voice" and style. zep draws at YouDraw also and i can recognize his work there right away. zep you are an incredible artist and I hope you are doing real time paintings from this work. :) They would sell like crazy.

To Cloxboy and zep: I'm not saying your art is not good, because it is obviously quite advanced on artists stand points, but the style I mean, always seems to look the same. In most of your pictures. The noses, the eyes, the forehead structure and such. The concepts though are often different so that is good, and there are a few that roam out of the general style. It could not be a bad thing though, it may just be my personal opinion that the style loses touch after so many times because obviously you have many fans of it.

I'm just more used to pretty things, and what I meant by culturally inept was like...perhaps my brain has been too diluted by big eyes sparkly pretty boys to appreciate a more structural dynamic type of art.

I think i understand what you means...and i think that is because i draw without references, so i get the same images from my brain again and again...anyways, like i´ve said before...your comment make me think and that´s always good :)
_{winged snails are "pretty things" :)}

Nyuusen - at first i was shocked to hear what you said, but then i sort of understood and agree that you can tell its a zep pic from certain features, but then i looked through zeps board a bit and tbf, he can draw a portrait from any angle and even then this is only one part of the picture. i find zeps pictures very insightful and on a side note - look at most anime stuff or even real portraits/photography, we all have essentially the same features. i don't know why i decided to comment like this but i guess your just a bit culturally inept imo.

It just cracks me up that an anime artist would tell someone else about their style getting repetitive.

It's really not fair to say that because someone's art is a certain style that they can't give constructive criticism. Never did I say that my art was better (which I really don't think it is) or any less repetitive (though I don't think it is) than anyone elses.

Saying something like that just shows that you have no real constructive comments to say. And that your an ass hole.

You need to lighten up. I didn't do anything but point out something that amused me. I didn't say you were right or wrong.

It's not about right or wrong... *sigh* It doesn't matter.

I didn't say you were unqualified to criticize either. You assumed I was implying it, which I wasn't. If I saw a fat guy tell an average guy not to eat a donut because it's bad for him, I'd find that amusing too, but it doesn't mean the fat guy is any less right about what he said or any less qualified to say it.

The analogy doesn't fit the situation. Why is it that its okay for people to draw the same style all the time, as long as its not anime? Where as if they draw anime all the time its bad?

Plus, I don't think I'm repetitive drawer. It may be anime, but I try different styles, poses, ways of shading, eye shapes, things like that. It's not like I draw the same character or pose or concept over and over.

You're making a bad habit of putting words in my mouth. Memo me if you want to continue discussing this, but since it's not about Zep at all I'd rather not continue here.

well, i´m more than ok if you continues this right here :)
i think art is almost nothing, if you don´t get a peaceful discussion with somebody else about it, at least...
i like the questions appearing here...there´s a style? is in the figures or forms that you make or in the meaning they represent? is it good or bad to have a style?...anyway seeing this under Zack´s point of view, it´s quite amusing........ in some way style means: iteration :)

Your style is really easy to spot, I think ^^ your style's clean,unique and really really eye catching, i love how you draw things *_* i've tried so hard to draw liek you >_> and i never actually...got it to look right *0*;;;

Since it's alright with you Zep, I'll continue.

I didn't say that it's okay for people to draw the same style all the time. I didn't say it's bad to draw anime all the time, either.

Your art is repetitive, Nyuusen. You draw hair the same way in every picture: floppy downward spikes. Just about every character you draw looks straight at the viewer, though the face might be tilted to the left or right slightly. You never vary the thickness of your lineart, and your pictures without lineart are shaded the same way as your pictures with lineart. Your backgrounds are all either blurry, a repeating pattern, or a flat color. Almost all of your pictures are portraits of human characters (no landscapes, one still life, no abstracts) that cut off either at the shoulders or at the waist. None of your pictures have more than one face in them.

Let's compare your defense to Zep's work just for the hell of it. You say you try "different poses, ways of shading, eye shapes, things like that."

In this work Zep combined his usual portrait style with abstract shapes. This guy has a wide face and thoughtful expression, while this guy has a long face and unhappy expression. I have never noticed Zep use the same pose between pictures.

The shading style in the picture of the guy with the wide face is very different from the shading style used in this picture. And another different shading style. And another.

I don't even need to mention the creativity of this picture. Or this one. Or this one. How's this one for different eye shapes?

zep: there is no flip tool (maybe you could bug comd to add one), but you can copy/paste parts of an image (you cannot copy it out to another application or paste something from outside of lascaux, though). There are a couple ways to move stuff around. You can duplicate a layer and then move one of the layers. Or you can hold the Alt key down when you're using the move tool and it will move a copy instead of the original. Or you can use the selection tools to select part of a layer, then use the move tool (again, hold the alt key to have it duplicate the selection). I personally find these methods a lot more powerful and less restrictive than the copy tool in shi-painter and paintbbs.

all clear
thanks Marcello
:)

Hmm, welp, can't argue with that.

But...I stil don't like his art, and think it all looks the same. *shrugs* There are a few different, but I can always tell what he draws. But if you're going to get so defensive I guess I just won't criticize the drawings of people that have more fans than those without them. *shrugs*

I don;t think Zack was telling you NOT to crit. art ^^; I think he was defending Zep's art, I LOVE Zeps art, the reason you can tell it's his art, is because his unique style, it's not the same thing over and over again, it's always something different, just i don't know, like like buying a brand of clothes, a certain fashion designer you like alot, you buy it because you like the style, the style stays simliar, but it changes too. the style is unique.

Don't be that way. I don't want people to feel too intimidated to criticize popular artists, and I applaud your courage. But my original comment was only about pointing out something I thought was very ironic, and since then it's like you've been determined to make an enemy of me.

Maybe Zep could use more diversity. I'm not asking you to like his art, and it's fine that you don't. Everyone has different tastes. The reason I gave that critique of your work is because I don't think Zep's work is any more repetitive than yours and I wanted to show why I thought so.

After reading all of the above comments, I realize I need to work on making my pictures more diverse. I just took a look in my gallery and it's boring.

Anyways, getting back to the subject... Amazing picture, Zep. Lascaux seems to like you alot. I love the smooth colors and shading, and I like the way it looks like he's thinking about something. I adore your artwork :)

Alright I understand. My apologies if I got a little edgy, it wasn't my intention. :/