forums2draw.netLayer 1, Layer 3, and....Layer 3
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Gigge (Jun 26, 2005)
My layers are 'confused' again. I have two layer 3s and no layer 2. The numbering doesn't matter so much, but the layers are doing some weird masking so that I can't draw over something I've already drawn on the layer. It keeps switching between layer 3a and 3b seemingly at random as I draw. How do I fix this?

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davincipoppalag (Jun 26, 2005)
Ive had that happen too Gigge.. dunno whats up widdat
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sincity (edited Jun 26, 2005)
Same thing happened to me just the other day. :}
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Zack (edited Jun 26, 2005)
Try cloning one of the layer 3's and then delete the original. The new copy should have a different layer number.
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Gigge (Jun 26, 2005)
Thanks. The cloning worked for that layer, but when I created a new one for the background, that was even more buggy. :/
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Zack (Jun 26, 2005)
Is this on a specific picture? If you're feeling brave, you could add me as a collaborator and I could poke around trying to see what's up.
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Gigge (Jun 26, 2005)
Ok. You're added. The last thing that was really annoying was on layer 5 I stopped being able to draw or erase the red on the flag, but the cream area worked fine. I don't care what happens with the pic since I can't work with it. Have at it.

Thanks.

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Zack (Jun 26, 2005)
For some reason it's not showing up in my studio. Do you have a link to the picture? (moderators can see hidden pictures when linked)
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Gigge (Jun 26, 2005)
It's not hidden. I set it to finished because it was getting frustrating. It's this one: http://cellosoft.com/2draw/view/48078/ The bugs don't show up until I'm a few minutes into drawing. But, they seem to get progressively worse once they do start.

On a different note: I didn't see an announcement about it, but I like the feature that allows you to change your board level as long as it's hidden. Is it supposed to credit you for drawing on the higher board even when the finished product is on a lower board?
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emmamommalag (Jun 27, 2005)
Yeah, it's always jumping around between layers.. always got watch it.
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method3 (Jun 27, 2005)
I am trying to think of why you would even get two layer 3s, and the only reason I can come up with is that it has to do with revising your image and making new layers. You only get that when you are revising your image right? Even so, it shouldn't do that. Also I don't think I've ever seen the bugs that you are describing, is there a specific tool you are using that causes it to noticably start screwing up more and more? For instance, selection tools sometimes compound problems and cause other tools to stop working the way they should. Can you get it to consistantly happen?

Also, can you try merging the two layer 3s and then undoing the merge? Do you remember what you did to get two layer 3s in the first place, like just making a new layer or cloning? Or... I could mess with it too.

Is it supposed to credit you for drawing on the higher board even when the finished product is on a lower board?
You mean you got points for say the advanced board since you started on the advanced board but moved it to the intermediate board when you set it to finished?
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Gigge (Jun 27, 2005)
The only bug that happens consistently is the 'undo' box scroll bar has stopped working on all of my drawings except two or three. I don't use the selection tools, because they have messed up every time I've tried in the past. I have used move tool, the paintbrush, and erase on this one. On others I'll also use the flood, blur, antialising, and sometimes I'll play with the d, s, and i sliders. I haven't used masking. I will adjust the opacity of the layers sometimes so I can see through them.

What triggered it this time was I created a layer 2, decided it was too early and backed up a few steps to before the creation of the layer and continued drawing on the original layer. When I decided I did want a layer 2, it created layer 3, which I noticed right away, but because sometimes it's a problem and sometimes it's not I kept going and sure enough it created layer 3 again for the subsequent layer. I can't do anything with the 'corrupt' layers. I tried Zack's method of cloning and deleted one of the old layer 3s and it did take care of the numbering, and there didn't seem to be any masking.

This particular error has only happened about half a dozen times for me. The others happen more frequently. I've only had a about 10 drawings on here total where something (not counting the scroll thing that messes up almost every time) hasn't gone wrong.

I'll add you as a collaborator right away. But, I usually don't have any errors for the first 10 to 20 minutes of drawing and as I said I deleted one of the layer 3's. But, you're welcome to take a look or do whatever you want to it. Also, I used Firefox to draw this one. But, I've had similar results with other Mozilla based browsers like Netscape and the old Mozilla as well as IE. I have Java 2 loaded. I'm using an ATI Radeon X800, but I had the same problems with an Nvidia card.

Yes, I have 12 points for each of the intermediate drawings that I started in advanced and set to finished in intermediate. I don't know if that's the way it's supposed to work, but I thought I'd mention it.
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method3 (edited Jun 27, 2005)
Thanks, the point thing can be looked at but at the moment it doesn't really strike me as a problem. I'll look into the drawing and see if I can figure anything out as to how all this happened.

Wait, after messing with it I just realized you metioned you were messing with the AA. Did you by chance change the flow of your brush while using AA? This will prevent you from drawing at all if AA is on and flow is less than around 60 or so. This may depend on if you're using a tablet with dynamic opacity on as well, so if you were maybe pressing lightly with AA on it could have had the same effect. So this may be a separate (known) bug than the doubled number layering issue (I actually reproduced that just making a new layer, but I don't think that's a big problem).
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Gigge (Oct 20, 2005)
Wow...I missed your response entirely. I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to be rude.

At this point I really don't remember what I did. I most likely did use AA below 60. I like to click all the buttons.

But, I guess someone has made some modifications to the applet? It's been working fine the last few drawings. The scroll has even worked for the undo the whole time.

Thanks for taking a look. I appreciate it.
 
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