Your'e pretty talented, but i think you should try spending longer on one picture instead of trying to get lot's out at once, because i get the feeling you could do even better.
I like that you kept the figure in this piece to show the grand scale of that waterfall =) The foreground appears more like a rock we're peering from behind of rather than land graduating into the water but over all, this is a beautiful piece!
i too agree with you bobstained.. well, to a degree at least. i drew my previous submission here in the intermediate board for over 5 hours, but as i struggled to get her torso to look right, i realized it was impossible to do unless i redid the whole painting. The problem was that the more realistic it became and the more detail i added, the more obvious it became that the proportions of the figure were wrong. So i ended up scrapping over 3 hours of work (i just closed the applet without saving) even thought her head, arms and legs and the background were far superior to what i had in the previous save. it was just much more obvious in the more finished painting how screwy the proportions were and the only way i could see how to fix it was to start from scratch and i just didn't have the energy to do that :(
If i had drawn it with photoshop i wouldn't have given it a second thought. i would have used the free transform tool and i would have fixed the proportions in a minute. But thats why im here drawing oekakis instead of using photoshop. You know i hadn't drawn anything in 4 months before i joined here a few days ago and its been 2 years now that i drew anything seriously. You can understand that my skills have deteriorated in that time quite a bit, but i have found that doing oekakis is the fastest way for me to get my skills back and usually i'll be drawing better than ever before in just a week or two..
Up to now i have been doing my oekakis at OekakiCentral, but the oekaki programs they have are ancient, they look like they haven't upgraded them at all since i first drew there at 2003. I remember how once i had to wait for over 40 minutes for the Shi-Painter to load my save and of course the longer i drew the more unstable apps became. heh, usually i was able to finish only half of my drawings and naturally the more time i spent on a drawing the less likely it was that i was going to be able to upload it. It really sucks when you draw for over 8 hours and the program just crashes on you and of course you hadn't saved it cause theres no guarantee that you will be able to continue it afterwards, not to mention it takes enormous amounts of time just to load a save.. Oh but im going off topic on here, aren't i? Anyways i like drawing oekakis cause it forces me to think about stuff like proportions more carefully than if i used programs like photoshop where proportions are so easy to correct that rarely take time to think about them. also at OekakiCentral another worry was that they would delete my drawing remorsely if it wasn't up to the snuff, that made me go the extra step to make my stuff look more polished than if i had just used photoshop and posted at some forum. Ah! I'm still going off topic. gotta focus more! >:(
Lets just say that, for now, my first priority is to get the proportions right. And thats the stuff that get established at the beginning of a painting or a drawing. And i think the best way to learn to do that, is just to make lots off drawings and thats what i'm doing.
After that im probably going to practice drawing environments and clothing and animals, with and without reference. I still don't know what the ratio i should use to draw long and quick drawings... maybe one 5-8 hour drawing after a five 30 min. to a 2 hour drawings? ..but i still need to get my proportions right before that.
My quick drawing's are normally around the 2 , 3 or 4 hours mark, and my longer drawings can be up to about 14 hours, thats only because i like messing around with them until i reach a point i'm happy with.
heh, i have really bad posture when im in front of my computer, so usually by the time its been 3-5 hours i have to take a break because of the pain.. like right now as im writing this, my ass is up in the air and only my back and head are touching my chair. It's a bad habit of mine, like for another person it might be smoking, but for me its this tendency to wiggle myself in these strange positions soon after i sit down :P
Anyways, have you seen the Awesome work of Stjepan Sejic? you would imagine it takes him long to draw, but no! He's like super fast too, i remember him saying that he can draw two to three pages of comics a day. You can see his art at here http://nebezial.deviantart.com/
also being fast is a skill too. my aim is to get so fast that i could draw a comic book page (in full color) in less than 8 hours, thats like no more than 1 or 2 hours per panel.. but theres some ways for me to go before im at that level :)
lol - I'm not laughing at your art.. just the positions you say you get into lol... this is great art no matter how much time you spent on it... my wrists and back would be shot if I spent multiple hours on a drawing
whoa! really nice. talent isn't measured by how long you spend on a picture or how well you can make it look like the photo. just because you spend 18 hours to copy a photo doesn't mean you're 'better' than OH SAY Dan who uses photo ref's quite often and does them in about 30 min. all about style.
i like this version better than the original because the little dude looks like an explorer that just discovered that waterfall and is looking up at it in awe.
Well well..such controversy..anyways..I can't offer any advice for you because I don't draw anything even remotely considered realism..but I like your picture here..it's nice..the waterfall is very pretty...I will say one thing though..and I say some not all ok..not all..but some people feel that if you don't do realism then you are talentless..that's the feeling i get sometimes anyway..but you don't have to listen to me..I am one of the least popular people here.
Roytje - haha i was just browsing the collaboration board and saw this awesome painting by you and Flubbles and and i had to check out if it was really you from oekakicentral and then i noticed you had asked the same thing about me! :D
yeah, my username was snotling at there.. hehe, some of the pictures i have there are truly cringe worthy ;)
OH OH such controversy! Gosh, people with different opinions, stirring up in the machine! Oh and get your head out of your 'bum' Peter, you know you're damn amazing at what you do, the point is, not everyone has to be LIKE what YOU do to be considered 'good'.
People think i'm trying to be negative when i make comments, when i'm just offering my opinion to try and help people improve, i'm not saying my opinion is right it's just an opinion like everybody elses.
drawn in 2 hours 17 min
If i had drawn it with photoshop i wouldn't have given it a second thought. i would have used the free transform tool and i would have fixed the proportions in a minute. But thats why im here drawing oekakis instead of using photoshop. You know i hadn't drawn anything in 4 months before i joined here a few days ago and its been 2 years now that i drew anything seriously. You can understand that my skills have deteriorated in that time quite a bit, but i have found that doing oekakis is the fastest way for me to get my skills back and usually i'll be drawing better than ever before in just a week or two..
Up to now i have been doing my oekakis at OekakiCentral, but the oekaki programs they have are ancient, they look like they haven't upgraded them at all since i first drew there at 2003. I remember how once i had to wait for over 40 minutes for the Shi-Painter to load my save and of course the longer i drew the more unstable apps became. heh, usually i was able to finish only half of my drawings and naturally the more time i spent on a drawing the less likely it was that i was going to be able to upload it. It really sucks when you draw for over 8 hours and the program just crashes on you and of course you hadn't saved it cause theres no guarantee that you will be able to continue it afterwards, not to mention it takes enormous amounts of time just to load a save.. Oh but im going off topic on here, aren't i? Anyways i like drawing oekakis cause it forces me to think about stuff like proportions more carefully than if i used programs like photoshop where proportions are so easy to correct that rarely take time to think about them. also at OekakiCentral another worry was that they would delete my drawing remorsely if it wasn't up to the snuff, that made me go the extra step to make my stuff look more polished than if i had just used photoshop and posted at some forum. Ah! I'm still going off topic. gotta focus more! >:(
Lets just say that, for now, my first priority is to get the proportions right. And thats the stuff that get established at the beginning of a painting or a drawing. And i think the best way to learn to do that, is just to make lots off drawings and thats what i'm doing.
After that im probably going to practice drawing environments and clothing and animals, with and without reference. I still don't know what the ratio i should use to draw long and quick drawings... maybe one 5-8 hour drawing after a five 30 min. to a 2 hour drawings? ..but i still need to get my proportions right before that.
Anyways, have you seen the Awesome work of Stjepan Sejic? you would imagine it takes him long to draw, but no! He's like super fast too, i remember him saying that he can draw two to three pages of comics a day. You can see his art at here http://nebezial.deviantart.com/
also being fast is a skill too. my aim is to get so fast that i could draw a comic book page (in full color) in less than 8 hours, thats like no more than 1 or 2 hours per panel.. but theres some ways for me to go before im at that level :)
i like this version better than the original because the little dude looks like an explorer that just discovered that waterfall and is looking up at it in awe.
This is nice. You've a sweet style, hope to see more from you here.
yeah, my username was snotling at there.. hehe, some of the pictures i have there are truly cringe worthy ;)