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Amazing as always Axil. I love how you mastered the technique of only using a few strokes to get form. Hard to perfect. It's easier to be more tight and detailed than to be loose. I bow down to the king of looseness.

Did that sound right? X)

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HELP

Sweetcell (Apr 7, 2006)

I'm working on a piece right now and I tried to use the magic wand/move tool, which didn't seem to work and I pressed undo till it said no more undo's, fine, so I've been trying to just normally paint but now none of my brush strokes seems to appear. There are no masks, I've tried on both layers, I put opacity and flow to max and there's nothing, no brush strokes. I don't want to upl;oad this till I'm done. Someone please... HELP! I'm on Lascaux.

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Inner Child

Kloxboy (Apr 2, 2006)

A school picture only a mother could love.

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HunterKiller_ (Apr 2, 2006)

Sweet wicked face, man.

woah_pockster (Apr 3, 2006)

mmmh <3
I love the way you do cheeks <3

gerbear (Apr 5, 2006)

Wonderful. Whats not to love? The transluscent quaility is great. I remember from YouDraw a while back, but you might have used another name?

Kloxboy (Apr 7, 2006)

Nope, I was Cloxboy there too.

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Unfortunate (Apr 7, 2006)

Photo Ref.

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Unfortunate (Apr 7, 2006)

Why thank you :3

Sweetcell (Apr 7, 2006)

Well, this is stunning, and your new and in begginers.... I hate you.

Kidding.... welcome Un, going to love seeing your pieces.

woah_pockster (Apr 7, 2006)

wonderful job my dear, and welcome to 2draw. I'm expecting a lot from you =]

great angle and use of the tools<3

Unfortunate (edited Apr 8, 2006)

Oh no, what have I gotten myself into? ;)

But yeah, it's probably the angle that makes the nostils seem abnormally large :P

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comd (Apr 2, 2006)

Trying a bit more than a head this time since I have all this canvas space in the advanced section. I'm just going to try to copy the photo directly this time as closely as possible.
http://www.kristiaknowles.net/images/gallery/fitness/fit2.jpg

I'm not sure I'll get anywhere. Thanks all for the encouragement.

[Edit] This is the opposite of what I'm striving to do artistically as my goal is to draw more loosely from references (using information from the reference to make a completely different picture, not drawing the reference) and ultimately without needing references at all, but I wanted to try a shot at being unpainterly and more photorealistic: the antethesis of what I've been trying to do. To get the line drawing and major landmarks as accurately as possible, I initially started with a grid for the line drawing. This allowed me to shade and color more loosely without worrying about correcting inaccuracies from the previous stages. I don't think I quite got there as I still got lazy on the shading and didn't quite interpret the values correctly. It looks correct sized down, but not up close.

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Zack (Apr 5, 2006)

You might find it an interesting exercise to take a ref and try drawing it at a different angle. As soon as I have more free time I intend to make a number of drawings that are loosely referenced like that; maybe they have the same angle but different lighting, or they have different shading styles, etc. Personally, I see loose references as training wheels and strict references as crutches, but that's in terms of my own artistic goals and not a criticism of other artists here. In light of your goals, I'd say dropping the grid system is probably a good idea.

comd (edited Apr 5, 2006)

Modifying angles, lighting, or the original 3D form of the reference is the kind of stuff I'd like to ultimately do when using references. Just anything that demands the 3D form is understood so that it could be used to produce other 3D forms is what would benefit me most. I tend to be more 2D-oriented when copying photos regardless of whether I'm using measuring devices or just freehanding, and that's useful for copying 2D images, but not for inventing 3D ones. I tend to ask questions like, "what's the 2D shape of this highlight? How does it relate vertically and horizontally to this other mark?" Rather than, "what's the 3D form of this figure"? If I understood the 3D form, then I could invent my own highlights without using the precise shapes in the photograph.

I pretty much knew this picture wasn't what I should have been doing when I started on it based on my goals, regardless of the grid (though the grid made it that much worse). I set out only to draw the reference as accurately as possible and nothing more. In that sense, it's one of my biggest failures since that's the last thing I want to be doing in the future as I progress. I didn't even try to experiment with painterly techniques - I was trying to be as unpainterly as possible in this one so that it would look just like a photo. Generally I get the most comments about the painterly aspects of my works when working from photos, but this time I really wanted to try not being painterly (I tend to be painterly for economical purposes, not intentionally). I didn't even really achieve the photorealism I intended to achieve despite the use of the grid for the line drawing, so I didn't even succeed in that respect. While it's completely against my personal goals, I still admire the artists on here who can make their paintings look just like a photograph. I was hoping to achieve it here, but I think I deviated too much in the shading and still relied too much on lines which gave that sort of cartoony effect in places.

frootcake (Apr 6, 2006)

omg biggest posts ever. great pic and i've been a victim of the grid in the past. when the masters of the past were working on frescoes - they couldn't draw straight from life, so they did their preliminary drawing and they would grid that whole wall up before doing some of the greatest paintings ever made, theres no shame :):)

HunterKiller_ (Apr 7, 2006)

Mmm... (damn you essay writters.)

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Face

Hopeless (Mar 2, 2006)

In zoom 200% its better.

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Hopeless (Apr 2, 2006)

WTF?!@ :( why are you doing this to me?!
it's not funny at all.
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thanks Shultsa (about this ugly picture).but i don't like this hair either =\ well i did my best.. i think.

Opium (Apr 2, 2006)

yay! you finished! beautiful eyes, good finished project

Sweetcell (Apr 2, 2006)

It's stunning, I liked the hair in V2, but this is good too. Just maybe soften some of the soft edges and it'll be perfect. Really Hopless, don't rag on this. It's great.

I wont those lips btw. Maybe I'll get me a lip implant.

mikron (Apr 7, 2006)

Hopeless is a pro... neatless to say.

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