![]() |
| |||||||||||||||||||||||
| Public Boards/Intermediate | |||||||||||||||||||||||
|
DinoFlorist
(Apr 9, 2004)
Now there is evidence to support all of our conversation on file size, Icats! Same amount of time, both one layer, same program, canvas size, evrything. Btw, since you are a cat, this dog is gonna get you. |
|||||||||||||||||||||||
| Public Boards/Beginner | |||||||||||||||||||||||
|
staci
(Apr 10, 2004)
haw
marcello (Apr 11, 2004)
dba: just read my comment on the other one... it has everything you need to know.
DinoFlorist (Apr 11, 2004)
Yes, on this one we were testing the PNG compression. This uses mroe different colors
marcello (Apr 11, 2004)
by different colors I don't mean what you think are different colors, such as red and blue, but digitally different colors, such as 127,127,127 and 127,127,128. You could do an image entirely in grayscale and it'd be a huge png.
DeadlyBlondeArcher (Apr 11, 2004)
yeah, or brownscale. lol |
|||||||||||||||||||||||
| Public Boards/Intermediate | |||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Graffiti871
(Apr 10, 2004)
just an anti-war poster on war. I gave it movie look for effect. This is Political Art. the next one I'll do will have Street Art/Stencil poster of a rapper. Everyone should take a good guess. I'll give everyone a hint. He grew up in Brooklyn in Marcy Projects and in 1996 that when he started in the hip-hop game 10 years in the game and he's only 34. he has a new album out and this is his last one. what is it called?
marcello (Apr 11, 2004)
war is for resources. why? because we waste them.
DeadlyBlondeArcher (Apr 11, 2004)
That is also a fact. Yep.
Noremac (Apr 11, 2004)
war makes a good population control :)
Graffiti871 (Apr 19, 2004)
that lyric title is from Pharoahe Monche's Agent Orange song, I didn't want to cause any quarrels with people but this is the way i feel about war. |
|||||||||||||||||||||||
|
lp_phaery
(Apr 10, 2004)
Just some sketching I felt like doing. By the way she is sucking a lollypop and is not smoking (smoking is very bad for you).
marcello (Apr 11, 2004)
you know, sucking lollipops is very bad for you. all sorts of bad things can come from sucking a lollipop.
DeadlyBlondeArcher (Apr 11, 2004)
It is?!? Smoking is bad for me?!? Omg! I'm so glad you told me! *Throws camels out of purse into trash*
lp_phaery (Apr 11, 2004)
you can get healthy 99% sugar free, fruit flavoured lollipops that are double wrapped as not to get any infectious germs into it and does not contain highly cancerous substances but you cant get that in a cigarette (well not that i no of anyway)coloured
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
|
xwindflyer
(Apr 10, 2004)
still trying to learn
DeadlyBlondeArcher (Apr 10, 2004)
Well, a quick learner you are. I love the starkness of this. Just the almost blank paper... I dunno, something about it is very mysterious. I like it.
xwindflyer (Apr 11, 2004)
Yes I did use the line tool for the lines, I can't draw a straight line with out it. lol. Thanks
davincipoppalag (Apr 11, 2004)
This is very good! I can't do lines without it either... it's there to use..why not?
BlackLaertes (Apr 11, 2004)
I agree! The line tool is your friend ^_^ |
|||||||||||||||||||||||
|
longway
(Apr 10, 2004)
just visiting....
DeadlyBlondeArcher (Apr 10, 2004)
You have a very unique, unusual and interesting style to your work. Creative subjects, too.
davincipoppalag (Apr 11, 2004)
I like your backgrounds... you should collab with DMV |
|||||||||||||||||||||||
| Public Boards/Beginner | |||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Pantera
(Apr 10, 2004)
This is here on Oahu not far from where I live, I wish I could do a better job, because it is a beautiful site, and yes the name is Chinaman's Hat
gloworm043 (Apr 11, 2004)
Beautiful...I love your colors and the water reflections...I'm trying to learn how to do that...pretty pic P.
Pandora (Apr 11, 2004)
I was in Maui and Kona and I have never seen anything so beautiful. This is truly like it.
Pantera (Apr 11, 2004)
Thank you all. I will practice making waves if I get good at it I will do a north shore drawing.
foxman8245 (Apr 12, 2004)
Hey, really nice outdoor scene!! I like the reflections off the water|!! |
|||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Pandora
(Apr 10, 2004)
Happy Easter
Pantera (Apr 10, 2004)
Beautiful, is it your house pandora?
DeadlyBlondeArcher (Apr 10, 2004)
I really like this one.... a good use of lines it is. Nice use of color, too.
longway (Apr 10, 2004)
really nice draw panora, love the flowers....
davincipoppalag (Apr 11, 2004)
I like the placement of the flower gardens and the colors alot |
|||||||||||||||||||||||
|
staci
(Apr 5, 2004)
saw them
Ixbalam (Apr 10, 2004)
To me v1 was kind of lonely and desolate looking. This version isn't. It's very nice. I like the subtle shading on the shells. They remind me of those little hand soaps some people have in their bathrooms.
Wavey (Apr 10, 2004)
GREAT JOB. very nice out of focus background, you know how much that means to me.
MaLynne (Apr 10, 2004)
ohhhh..so pretty. the colors are perfect.makes them look so real
DeadlyBlondeArcher (Apr 10, 2004)
Don't know how I missed this one... I love it, because it is beautiful, and they almost look like they are under very clear water because of the way you did the background, but I hate you because you live in Florida and you do get to go see seashells!!!!!! (jk) Very loverly, prettiful picturesque picture. :) |
|||||||||||||||||||||||
| Public Boards/Intermediate | |||||||||||||||||||||||
|
laurael
(Apr 10, 2004)
What the pic says...
laurael (Apr 11, 2004)
Thanx you guys...hope your Easter day is going well...
jellybien724 (Apr 15, 2004)
Turtle Power!
gloworm043 (Apr 15, 2004)
This is so cute...My grand-daughter would love this..Do you mind if I save it to my desk top for her? She loves drawing, too...
laurael (Apr 15, 2004)
I don't mind at all...I'm totally flattered actually...go for it. Thanks for the huge compliment... |
|||||||||||||||||||||||
| |||||||||||||||||||||||
| 2draw.net © 2002-2026 2draw.net team/Cellosoft - copyright details - 4.07sec (sql: 36q/3.45sec) |
Let me explain a little more in detail.
Ok first off, the number one affect on file size is the size of your canvas. If you draw large images, you'll take up more space, simple as that.
On 2draw, for each image you have a number of different files. You have the full quality PNG, an optional compressed JPG version (only if it is smaller than the PNG), then 3 different thumbnails (PNG or JPG, whichever is smaller, typically JPG is). Then for each version, you will have 2 small thumbnail versions (which are probably a rather small % of the image total space), and either a JPG or PNG copy of the version (whichever is smaller). Then last of all, you have a format specific to the applet.
As I said above, a PNG version is stored with every image, PNG is lossless compression. Take BMP, one of the simplest image formats around, for each pixel 4 bytes of space are used, so a 400x400 image will use 640KB, uncompressed. Now, PNG will actually compress the information considerably by taking regions of solid color that is, the exact same RGB for a rectangular block of area, and compress it quite well. This means a completely black image at 400x400 can compress to less than 1KB. However, if from one pixel to the next, the color changes (such as with a gradient, soft, or antialiased lines), it can barely compress that at all, and in the absolute worst case (where every single pixel is different across the canvas), your PNG file will approach that 640KB size of the BMP.
JPG on the other hand, is lossy and can compress images better by taking approximations of the image.
For the most part, the PNG and JPG files do not take enough space to cause a problem.
What hits you is the applet-specific format. On PaintBBS, Shi-Painter, and OekakiBBS, an 'animation' file is recorded, which is essentially a recording of each x,y pair of each drawing stroke. This is not really comparable to a video format (which would make huge files). The number of layers, size of strokes, number of undos, etc. all have no effect on the animation file. The amount of time you spend on a picture does not affect the animation size other than by the number of strokes. If you just leave the image open, nothing is recorded. In addition, this is compressed, generally creating a rather small image (less than 100KB) even for extremely elaborate files. So, the number of strokes will in fact affect the animation size, but you need to do a lot of strokes before it becomes significant.
The main difference is on Lascaux Sketch, which uses a bitmap format rather than animation. Lascaux Sketch's LSD format (quite comparable in size and features to Photoshop's PSD) stores the equivalent of a PNG file for each layer into one file. So in this case, the number of strokes, the amount of time, size of brush, etc. does not affect the end file size by any means. However, the size of the canvas, the number of layers, and complexity of the image (read the bit above about how PNG compresses images) all affect the end result.
There are pros and cons to both methods. On average, the bitmap format Lascaux Sketch uses is much larger than an equivalent image stored in animation format. So, from a server standpoint, animation is better. However, the cons of animation format is 1) when you want to resume an image, you have to wait for the computer to "rebuild" the image from the animation so that all the layers are preserved. 2) it is much harder to make a 'stable' animation format. If the animation data gets corrupted or stored incorrectly anywhere in the image, everything after that point will either be completely lost or just turn out plain wrong. In the case of the bitmap format, it is really a matter of what-you-see-is-what-you-get. The layers you had when you saved/submitted your image will turn up exactly as you had when you load it again.
An animation format for Lascaux Sketch has been made, but is currently incomplete (does not support a lot of layer operations, selections, text, and so on), meaning the image would not load back up as you drew it.
PS: LOL MARCELLO -100 points for so long comment ^^U